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Aibu to cancel order from fox hunting supporting company?

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Henrysmycat · 27/12/2025 09:02

I know in the grand scheme of things, it’s a first world problem but we ordered our kitchen from Neptune. The shop was close by, the styles were what fits the house and the people selling were cooperative.
To my surprise, I opened socials today to find out, that they support fox hunting with those stupid costumes, horses, dogs and all the pretentiousness. Seriously, Neptune think that the Ultra high networth people will go for their products instead of bespoke or some other eye watering expensive brand like Clive Christian or Officine Gullo hence the support? And when I commented it, they delete my comments.
Am I wrong to cancel my kitchen as I have time to do it.
I’m not one of those totalitarian vegans but a blood sport like this in 2025 in Britain?

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Catholica · 27/12/2025 10:58

I think it’s a bit of a leap to assume they support fox hunting based on a photo of their local town featuring people who aren’t fox hunting.

EmeraldRoulette · 27/12/2025 11:01

Catholica · 27/12/2025 10:58

I think it’s a bit of a leap to assume they support fox hunting based on a photo of their local town featuring people who aren’t fox hunting.

Right?

I've just looked into this because I was so puzzled

Because the OP specifically mentioned fox hunting, I assumed it was a historical photo.

But it's actually a photo from yesterday - so not a photo about fox hunting.

PandoraSocks · 27/12/2025 11:01

RosesAndHellebores · 27/12/2025 10:38

Presumavly everyone on this thread who opposes fox hunting also opppses boxing?

I think boxing is barbaric. But as pp said boxers choose to take part, unlike the foxes.

EscapeTheCastle · 27/12/2025 11:01

Most certainly cancel. Also Neptune are style over quality. They look tremendous in the showroom they really do but do not do great after sales support and service.

Pinkieandthebraintakeovertheworld · 27/12/2025 11:01

Companies don’t have values. People do. And people run/work in companies.
This doesn’t look like a well thought through PR campaign where all the major players in a company have sat round the board room table and said yes! this is important, this is the image we want to project. It looks like one person who has a hand in running the social media stuff saw an eye catching event outside the window, took a picture and posted it, then regretted it and took it down when it became clear this is a controversial subject. Sometimes this stuff is not that deep. Kitchens have nothing to do with foxes. Probably one person connected with this company made a poor PR choice. It doesn’t speak for all the other people connected with to the company including the people installing the kitchens, the people working in the factories that make the components, delivering the materials, creating the designs, and all the other jobs that are connected to you getting a new kitchen installed.

Namechangedforthis25 · 27/12/2025 11:03

Pinkieandthebraintakeovertheworld · 27/12/2025 11:01

Companies don’t have values. People do. And people run/work in companies.
This doesn’t look like a well thought through PR campaign where all the major players in a company have sat round the board room table and said yes! this is important, this is the image we want to project. It looks like one person who has a hand in running the social media stuff saw an eye catching event outside the window, took a picture and posted it, then regretted it and took it down when it became clear this is a controversial subject. Sometimes this stuff is not that deep. Kitchens have nothing to do with foxes. Probably one person connected with this company made a poor PR choice. It doesn’t speak for all the other people connected with to the company including the people installing the kitchens, the people working in the factories that make the components, delivering the materials, creating the designs, and all the other jobs that are connected to you getting a new kitchen installed.

I agree with this - now that you have shared the post

the company does not “support fox hunting”

HerVagestyTheQueef · 27/12/2025 11:04

NormasArse · 27/12/2025 10:58

I do, but I’m wondering what your link is.

Boxers have a choice; foxes do not.

I guess they’re sort of similar: boxing and foxing; fox hunting and box hunting.

It’s easiest to just cancel them both to avoid confusion.

Stilish · 27/12/2025 11:09

Fox hunting is illegal.

Trail hunting is not illegal, and does not involve foxes. I trail hunt every week with my children…so I do know more than people who don’t. I don’t want to see foxes harmed, and I wouldn’t go if it was just a ‘smokescreen.’ Trail hunting is a huge part of rural life, hunts provide employment and are the framework for the social calendar. It is healthy, outdoor exercise.

Since the ban, there have been more than 250,000 days trail hunting, and fewer than 50 convictions. So, as laws go, this one is incredibly well adhered-to. NO law is never ever broken.

This isn’t about animal welfare.
This is just another step in Labour’s war on the countryside.

Floisme · 27/12/2025 11:16

I’m totally against killing animals for recreation but, unless I’ve been misinformed, trail hunting strikes me as no more silly than city dwellers driving miles out to the countryside, walking round in a bloody great circle and then driving home. By all means cancel the order if you want to and can do so but don’t ask me to admire you for it.

Quincette · 27/12/2025 11:21

I’ll admit I thought trail hunting was ok. But it clearly isn’t, as I’ve just been reading about it.

Stilish · 27/12/2025 11:24

Quincette · 27/12/2025 11:21

I’ll admit I thought trail hunting was ok. But it clearly isn’t, as I’ve just been reading about it.

From hunt sab websites?

HerVagestyTheQueef · 27/12/2025 11:25

Banning trail hunting because some abuse it to actually get foxes is a bit like banning shopping because some people shoplift, or banning trains because some people fare-dodge.

Parker231 · 27/12/2025 11:25

RosesAndHellebores · 27/12/2025 10:38

Presumavly everyone on this thread who opposes fox hunting also opppses boxing?

I oppose fox hunting and boxing - both disgusting and should be 100% banned.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 27/12/2025 11:28

RosesAndHellebores · 27/12/2025 10:38

Presumavly everyone on this thread who opposes fox hunting also opppses boxing?

What has a pair of people who have consented and trained to be able to participate in a bout have to do with having a bunch of people in fancy outfits go after (or pretend to not go after) a fox with a load of dogs that will chase it down and rip it to pieces for shits and giggles?

If it had ever been about pest control, it would be the most inefficient and expensive method ever - a bloke with a gun could do it far more cleanly, effectively and cheaply. Foxhunting is about entertainment and the feeling of power over a tiny animal's life and thundering around the countryside on a large animal with a bunch of equally minded mates.

HerVagestyTheQueef · 27/12/2025 11:29

Parker231 · 27/12/2025 11:25

I oppose fox hunting and boxing - both disgusting and should be 100% banned.

Still not getting the link here… adults choosing to participate in a dangerous sport is nothing like ripping a defenceless animal apart.

Besides, there are plenty more dangerous sports than boxing.

CatsRuleMyLife · 27/12/2025 11:31

MinorEarthMajorClouds · 27/12/2025 09:20

I haven’t seen their socials, but could they be opposing Labour’s plan to ban trail hunting? From what I’ve read trail hunting doesn’t involve purposely hunting live animals but allows for all the centuries old traditions around fox hunting go ahead. Seems reasonable to oppose that ban to me.

Trail hunting is a smokescreen for illegal hunting and certainly does involve chasing wild animals to their death.

Drag hunting and clean boot hunting OTOH, do not involve chasing wildlife and, had hunts got their act together 20 years ago, would be what they could all be doing. But no, they had to continue to fulfill their bloodlust and keep killing.

I too would cancel any order made to a company that's known to support hunting, I wouldn't want them getting a penny off me and, if I was cancelling an order having found out about their support I would let them know exactly why I'd cancelled.

AmyDuPlantier · 27/12/2025 11:33

I unfollowed quite a few companies and accounts yesterday who posted this shit. Most odd public stance to take.

Sharptonguedwoman · 27/12/2025 11:33

MinorEarthMajorClouds · 27/12/2025 09:20

I haven’t seen their socials, but could they be opposing Labour’s plan to ban trail hunting? From what I’ve read trail hunting doesn’t involve purposely hunting live animals but allows for all the centuries old traditions around fox hunting go ahead. Seems reasonable to oppose that ban to me.

Foxes get killed just the same.

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/12/2025 11:34

MinorEarthMajorClouds · 27/12/2025 09:20

I haven’t seen their socials, but could they be opposing Labour’s plan to ban trail hunting? From what I’ve read trail hunting doesn’t involve purposely hunting live animals but allows for all the centuries old traditions around fox hunting go ahead. Seems reasonable to oppose that ban to me.

Trail hunting is fox hunting, but given a different name to circumvent the law.

BurntBroccoli · 27/12/2025 11:36

You are definitely not wrong to cancel. When you do, clearly state that is why you are cancelling.

Trail hunting is a front to kill foxes and other wildlife.

Miranda65 · 27/12/2025 11:42

They will not be supporting fox hunting, because it is illegal.
They may support trail hunting, though.

I think it's fantastic that there has been a show of support for trail hunts this week, in the face of some pretty nasty "class warfare" and attacks on rural life from the Government.
However, you can cancel an order if you wish, OP - you have a free choice. And I might do the same re certain other issues.
That's the beauty of living in a free and democratic country- there is space for all sorts of views and opinions.

ThereWillBeReaperCushionsSoBeWarned · 27/12/2025 11:43

RosesAndHellebores · 27/12/2025 10:38

Presumavly everyone on this thread who opposes fox hunting also opppses boxing?

You have a bit of a reputation for your ‘interesting’ posts on this forum, but this one really is the silliest I have seen. You have outdone yourself. 😂

ThereWillBeReaperCushionsSoBeWarned · 27/12/2025 11:44

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/12/2025 11:34

Trail hunting is fox hunting, but given a different name to circumvent the law.

This.

backinthebox · 27/12/2025 11:49

So many different takes on what has actually probably happened here, all of them with a possible grain of truth. However, the fact remains that hunting of a living animal using hounds or dogs is illegal in the U.K. Trail hunting is legal. And we don’t even know whether this pack in the photo are a trail hunting or drag hunt - they are often mixed up and the differences misunderstood by the general population. They are (just out of the numbers involved across the U.K.) probably trail hunting though. Unfortunately, across the entire population of people who follow trail hunts, there is (as with many things) a broad spectrum of attitudes.

At one extreme are the horse riders who just want to experience the thrill of galloping across country and jumping fences, and the social aspect with their friends. The hunts close to where I live the hunts (which include 2 packs of Draghounds, 2 packs of bloodhounds, and several packs of foxhounds) put on point to points, pub quizzes, winter and summer balls, charity auctions, horse shows, open days at kennels and stables, parades and displays at large country events such as county shows, clay pigeon shoots, fun rides and sponsored rides, pub evenings, and more. For many members of rural communities they provide a huge component of their social lives.

It is tempting to believe, if you want to, that every single person who has ever had a fleeting glance in the direction of a hunting-related event is a bloodthirsty monster keen to rip a fox to pieces and paint its fresh blood on the faces of their children. But they are not. They just want to enjoy their horse and time with friends in a legal and non-harmful way - which trail hunting is when it is done correctly. Suggesting that all people who follow trail hunts, or take part in any events organised by them, support killing of foxes is somewhat like suggesting all football supporters are lagered-up brick-throwing hooligans prowling the streets after a football match looking for a fight to start with the oppositions’ supporters and failing that just doing a bit of looting before going home to beat their wives. This is absolutely not the case - most football fans just enjoy watching 2 teams kicking a ball full of air around a very neat grass field, and perhaps chatting with their mates about the most exciting bits of the match in the pub afterwards (I can’t understand this myself but each to their own!)

Just as the hooligans to exist though, there are unfortunately less desirable elements in trail hunting. Given the opportunity, they would love to return to a pre-ban world. This has never been acceptable and never will be, but it is deeply ingrained in some dark corners of the countryside. This element is the same sort of person who will pull farmer’s gates off their fields so they can illegally course for hares, who will steal a quad bike and then kill the policeman sent to stop them (this happened less than a mile from me.) They are the poachers, and also those who shoot protected rare birds of prey that might interfere with their pheasant rearing. Quite how the regular, law abiding trail hunter who really just wants to ride their pony following a smelly rag is supposed to bring these characters to order, I do not know. They have no more power to stop this than a family enjoying watching their favourite football team have to stop a post match riot taking place. This does not mean all football must be banned though.

@Henrysmycat your words “stupid costumes, horses, dogs and all the pretentiousness” highlight which direction your thoughts are coming from. If any one of those things - wearing the clothing associated with your sport, riding a horse, owning a dog, or being pretentious - are illegal, then call the police.

I do not follow any hunt, but have grown up in the countryside and have followed many hunts (trail, drag and bloodhound) in the past and know many people in those communities. I’ve seen much ignorance and many inaccurate posts on social media over the last few days as trail hunting has been in the news. But I’m also a great believer in sticking to your principles so if the OP wishes to cancel her order for a kitchen based on a single ‘look what happened outside our shop today’ post on Facebook, then good for them. Like others, I have not set foot in a Lush shop since it became clear they fund guerilla action groups who break the law and cause criminal damage, as well as inciting hatred of the police. I also won’t buy meat I know to be cheaply and cruelly produced, or buy clothing I know to be made in Indian and far east sweat shops, and I try not to buy anything with palm oil in it, or anything from a company that supports Mermaids or Stonewall for their stance towards vulnerable children. Once you start to look more deeply into it, it becomes quite tricky to buy anything at all without shedding the odd principle along the way!

Eyeshadow · 27/12/2025 11:56

RosesAndHellebores · 27/12/2025 10:38

Presumavly everyone on this thread who opposes fox hunting also opppses boxing?

Are you being obtuse or are you just dumb?

I don’t like boxing but I am intelligent enough to realise that two adults choosing to train for months and consenting to getting into a boxing ring (and usually being paid thousands to do so) is very different than being chased and ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs and their insecure owners.

If there was human hunting I would also bd against that too.

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