To feel like I don’t like men anymore

[Dogsinsantasuits]

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

We can't change the way we feel. But I hope all the mothers with sons who feel like this aren't giving their boys issues. To say that you don't like men to a young man would be bound to cause them harm in the long term.

This is stupid.

Women perpetuate the majority on child abuse only when you don’t control for proximity.

When you do, men are far more dangerous to children than women are.

(And that’s only considering physical abuse, when you consider neglect, the most common type of abuse - men commit that more frequently.)

The claim that some types of violent porn are more sought by women is made by pornhub which the authors of your own link acknowledge cannot be verified.

Err she literally talks about it comparing the men she knows to the women they are in relationships with.

Yes wanting a clean household and food to eat is “highly strung.”

There would be none. Not on a men’s site.

Men don’t feel the need to carry women’s water for them the way so many women love to come
to men’s defence online.
The reason for that difference could be a whole separate thread in itself.

Exactly. You can peruse Reddit and see far worse sans loads of men coming to women’s defence the way they do here

Wow. I can’t believe you actually wrote that.

You think women are more likely to abuse children than men? And watch more violent porn?

Do you believe everything you read? So thick.

What’s your point though? I’ve never changed a tyre - I’ve never had to bc in 25 years of driving I’ve never had a flat. Most men haven’t either - my dh called the AA when he had a flat bc he didn’t have a jack or a spare and he’d never changed one either so all round it’s easier to call someone.

Again, what’s your point?

How many men can change a tyre?

Are they meant to be congratulated for raising their traumatised children? Good grief.

I know two men who are doing a great job bringing up their children since their wives died.
It's easy to generalise.

This is a perfect example of what this thread is about. So many women have this internalised misogyny. Would you congratulate a woman for bringing up her own children?

I'm not originally from here (Nordic country). Moving here in my 30s was like moving back to the 60s in my country in terms of workload distribution between the sexes. I remember my first British boyfriend somehow expecting me to write Xmas cards and organise presents for his family. I never realised that was somehow my job and dismissed him completely and told him to sort out his own crap himself, like a normal adult. He was one of the good ones though, did more than his share of housework drudge so I could focus on my career.

He set a high standard though, as since we broke up (my choice ) I've encountered nothing but disappointment on legs. Two hobosexuals, one of whom had moved back in with his parents when he was 55 'temporarily' and who could not wait to move in with me (nope!).

I want an equal, take care of yourself, good job (can make less than me, not working in finance ideally), own house, kids out of the house, emotionally mature, kind, empathy, capacity to maintain friends, secure attachment style. I have actually met a few men like this (except I was not attracted to them sadly) so they do exist but they are not too keen on attaching themselves again either, ironically.

I think there is just a layer of emotionally unavailable, needy people out there who cannot find a partner and they are the ones disappointing everyone. The reason why we heterosexual women think it is men who are disappointing is because they are the people we try to meet, so we only see the disappointing men, and not the disappointing women.

As for the men on this thread instead of telling us that we are somehow wrong or men's behaviour is somehow our fault, why don't you instead share your experiences with disappointing women so we can get some glimpses into your experience? It is not useful to keep making spurious points about car tires as that details that thread and can hinder open communication. Perhaps recognise we have a right to discuss however we want as long as we break no laws and be a bit more respectful?

This is very very key to why I’m no longer interested in men!

Same with men though.

They're happy to treat a woman like the Queen of Sheba when she's young and attractive and they're both having fun. However, once they're getting their ear bent daily by a porky middle aged whinger they can't really be arsed to roll out the red carpet anymore.

It works both ways. A lot of men become strategically lazy with age but when you see all the dating profiles of women saying they want to be 'treated like a princess'/require a gentleman etc you do find yourself reflecting that they only get away with it through their youthful good looks. There are so many women that seem to demand a man must be financially secure/own a house/be 'successful' whilst not meeting all these dating requirements themselves.

After a certain point men can't be arsed to dance to this tune.

Depends if they were working FT whilst bringing up the kids or whether they permanently gave up full time work in their 30s and never returned to a proper career job as a lot of women do.

Yes, I believe the many government studies showing that mothers are the main perpetrator of pretty much every form of child abuse bar sexual abuse - neglect, violence, etc. I base my opinions on data and facts not on what I read on Tumblr/mumsnet etc.

I agree.
I just love my peace and by peace i mean man free life.
Women are by far the stronger sex.
There is absolutely nothing in this world a man could bring to my life.

And putting crap men on a pedestal as role models for kids male or female has worked well hasn't it?
Its mens fault if they are crap, not a womans job to pretend they aren't.

The men I know aren't crap so there's no pretence needed by me. Not too sure which men are put on a pedestal in our family.

Where a woman's sexism against men is subtle, ( which probably isn't where men are described as "crap "), she is going to cause problems for her sons/husband etc. I doubt most of the people posting here are as open with their views on the subject in real-life. Who knows how they convey these beliefs.

Your misogyny is absolutely reeking from your posts - reeking.

We all know you have a penis you know 👀

If you’re too thick to use your critical thinking as to why women may “abuse more children than men” - if that’s true and I have no idea which studies you are looking at - (and personally I would never quote something like this without doing thorough research first) then I honestly have nothing to say to you.

The rise of people like Andrew Tate is a direct response to some of the common rhetoric around men. Albeit a slightly warped one which likely appeals to men who were already struggling with their self esteem/identity.

The message is "who gives a fuck what they think? Just be a man and don't apologise for it." The problem is that this can then be used to enable justification of a whole host of toxic behaviours.

It's a very similar dynamic to the rise of Reform and Trump IMO. When people feel they're being dismissed or will be seen as wrong no matter what they do then they just say fuck it and stop trying to compromise in any way, which is worse for everyone.

There are no doubt many issues with male behaviour worldwide, but middle class western women with victim mentalities became tiresome many years ago and have sadly been allowed a huge platform due to political correctness in the same way we've recently seen men being allowed to compete in women's sports etc as nobody wanted to be vilified for telling them to pipe down.

@galadriel you mention that "it works both ways. A lot of men become strategically lazy with age but when you see all the dating profiles of women saying they want to be 'treated like a princess'/require a gentleman etc you do find yourself reflecting that they only get away with it through their youthful good looks. There are so many women that seem to demand a man must be financially secure/own a house/be 'successful' whilst not meeting all these dating requirements themselves."

This is interesting, as I do not see these female profiles. I am sure there are women out there who want some sort of provider, as they have not been able to(for whatever reason) to set themselves up to be independent. I personally see lots of men who do not match me in educational level, socioeconomic status, health and activity level, so that is disappointing, since the stats show many more men than women with a PhD, and many more homeowners who are male. My question is, why would these men want someone who is unequal to them?

From what I gather in real life, many men do not want a 'younger model' (despite your claim that youth is the only currency and value that women have), as they do not want to deal with young children, perimenopause (in some cases). They want someone equal, who is kind, emotionally mature, and can stand on their own feet. I think many men are realistic, and while they might like the look of a younger woman, they know that this person might not be a great partner at this stage of their lives.

I think men on dating apps are disappointing, but I disagree that 'all men are disappointing', as there are some good ones out there, and they may feel life for them is better alone too as women are disappointing to them.

Thus, perhaps, on dating apps, you might get a distorted idea on who is available, as all the mature, solvent, realistic people have taken themselves off the apps and/or have found someone, leaving with the immature unrealistic men looking for much younger or a nurse with a purse, or immature women looking for a provider and wanting to be treated like a queen.

61, 3 years post menopausal and to be honest, I don't like anyone that much any more. Even the dog gets on my nerves sometimes.

I like men. I actually prefer working with men and really appreciate them as friends. I have quite stereotypically 'male' interests. I have boys and am a very happy 'boy mum', to the point that I'm secretly quite relieved I just have boys. BUT I'm absolutely done with men from a romantic / sexual POV and expect to be single for the rest of my life. Male sexuality is a total cesspit.