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To feel like I don’t like men anymore

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Dogsinsantasuits · 23/12/2025 21:38

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

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LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 26/12/2025 13:19

Dogsinsantasuits · 26/12/2025 13:07

What? Guessing you’re a guy?

Or a Pick-me

The13thFairy · 26/12/2025 15:28

In my thirties, a man moved in (I asked him to ~ I'd get withdrawal symptoms if he wasn't around). He left tidemarks around the bath; he would not clean it. I remember one day saying to someone 'He's cleaned the bath! After nine months of living together! Entire humans have been gestated and born in the time he's taken to understand that he has to clean the bath!' I was so proud of myself - and him.

Post menopausal me could weep for the fool I was. He was a really sweet fuck and that was enough to short circuit my cognitive processes.

Menopause can be the shits for some women - but once you're through it - look out world! If I'd known the clarity it would bring to my thinking and my emotions I'd seriously have thought about doing it artificially at thirty five.

cantbejustme · 26/12/2025 15:52

Yanbu.

I saw your title and thought 'she must be i n her 40s'

Very early 40s I was very interested in men but only fancying them.

Now im running out of patience for them (44)

Have a man manager who uses work as a place to try and pick up women (hd a wife and a kid).
Tolerance for husband is reducing quickly. I mean he's a decent life partner-week to week. But he sorted out some christmas pressies and EVERYTHING he bought has needed extra things (cue children's disappointment and me having to sort) which is making me realise that week on week actually he does the things he wants to do (kids to football training, matches, a bit of laundry, cleaning and cooking) and not a lot else.

I'm quickly realising that men talk a lot of talk about what they do and actually do very little.

I have spent the last 2-3 days thinking I just want out of this in a few years when kids are bigger, or maybe sooner.

I think the hormones act like rose tinted glasses and the fact that we're surrounded by people having babies/families/ getting married makes us want to fit in to do the same. I'm now seeing friends on second marriages, leaving their husbands for women etc and I can see why.

At this point (apart from husband) i'm dealing with men at arms length at surface level.

Dogsinsantasuits · 26/12/2025 16:17

cantbejustme · 26/12/2025 15:52

Yanbu.

I saw your title and thought 'she must be i n her 40s'

Very early 40s I was very interested in men but only fancying them.

Now im running out of patience for them (44)

Have a man manager who uses work as a place to try and pick up women (hd a wife and a kid).
Tolerance for husband is reducing quickly. I mean he's a decent life partner-week to week. But he sorted out some christmas pressies and EVERYTHING he bought has needed extra things (cue children's disappointment and me having to sort) which is making me realise that week on week actually he does the things he wants to do (kids to football training, matches, a bit of laundry, cleaning and cooking) and not a lot else.

I'm quickly realising that men talk a lot of talk about what they do and actually do very little.

I have spent the last 2-3 days thinking I just want out of this in a few years when kids are bigger, or maybe sooner.

I think the hormones act like rose tinted glasses and the fact that we're surrounded by people having babies/families/ getting married makes us want to fit in to do the same. I'm now seeing friends on second marriages, leaving their husbands for women etc and I can see why.

At this point (apart from husband) i'm dealing with men at arms length at surface level.

I feel similar.

The problem if you’re straight you can’t suddenly start to fancy women, it is annoying as i’m sure things would be a lot easier being with a women, who knows if that’s true though! Maybe all relationships are a pain in the arse and we’re better off single and just with our kids

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Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 20:07

sunshinestar1986 · 25/12/2025 06:56

Many men can't do it either
You can just call someone to do it.
If it was a must, you best believe women would learn how to do it.

I don’t think this is true. Most of the married women I know over 45 have no idea about a whole load of necessary things - they don’t mow the lawn, light the fire or do anything to do with cars (including MOTs, services, repairs, maintenance).

They don’t do any of the financials either, like remortgaging, insurance, investments etc.

They don’t fix things around the house or do any kind of DIY.

I do all these things and have learnt how to do them because I live alone, but most women I know don’t have a clue.

Women rely on men a lot more than they think.

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 20:09

Crikeyalmighty · 24/12/2025 23:23

Are you under 45 jade? I do find this aspect worse in guys over 50 if I’m honest -

No.

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 20:40

artfiend · 25/12/2025 11:34

I remember having a moment of real sudden clarity in my early thirties. I was in a long term relationship at the time. We lived together, said we loved each other, had children, were even officially married towards the end of it. And it suddenly dawned on me that if he'd been expected to put in even a fraction of the effort I did, he would probably have run for the hills.

On the surface, we were living the same life. Same house, similar working hours, roughly the same salary. But underneath that, there were vast areas of everyday life he had no real awareness of and no interest in understanding. Everything domestic sat with me - housework, decorating, childcare, organising holidays and leisure, and all the invisible admin that keeps life functioning. Bills, mortgage, insurances, subscriptions, medical appointments, everything. He took care of his work admin and his car, and that was essentially it - unless I very explicitly asked for something and then reminded twenty times, becoming the nagging wife (and in the end it always was much easier to just do it myself).

If I eased off even slightly because work was intense or say because of illness, he noticed immediately and raised it. But the reverse never seemed to apply. He never once disadvantaged himself for my benefit. My needs and interests didn't really exist on his radar unless I spelled them out very explicitly and framed them as demands.

And when something went "wrong" (missed appointments, diary clashes, late payments etc), because those areas were "mine", any mistake automatically became my fault. Over time, it began to feel as though I am just making only mistakes, and he was the one patiently suffering from them.

That realisation crystallised more than a decade ago, incidentally, a few days after Christmas, which is when we split. He hadn't got me anything at all, because he "wasn't even sure what I was interested in" and I hadn't pointed to something specific and said "I want it". It was a genuine eye-opener. After half a decade together, talking endlessly about life, sharing hobbies, likes and dislikes, travelling, going to lectures, museums, concerts, festivals, gigs, trips. Discussing politics, current and historical affairs, books and films. And yet he still had no real idea who I was as a person, beyond the fact that I was the one who knew how to make the washing machine work.

I'm in another long term relationship now, with somewhat similar (a bit more equal) dynamic and I do love the guy. But I’ve accepted that he's more of an ornamental addition to my life than someone I need on a gut level, and I don't set my expectations too high.

That realisation crystallised more than a decade ago, incidentally, a few days after Christmas, which is when we split. He hadn't got me anything at all, because he "wasn't even sure what I was interested in" and I hadn't pointed to something specific and said "I want it". It was a genuine eye-opener. After half a decade together, talking endlessly about life, sharing hobbies, likes and dislikes, travelling, going to lectures, museums, concerts, festivals, gigs, trips.

Most men do not care about a woman's inner world.

It's devastating to realise initially, but like much of patriarchy, when you have seen it for what it is that first time, you can never un-see it again. And you always recognise it again instantly, moving forward.

cantbejustme · 26/12/2025 21:20

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 20:40

That realisation crystallised more than a decade ago, incidentally, a few days after Christmas, which is when we split. He hadn't got me anything at all, because he "wasn't even sure what I was interested in" and I hadn't pointed to something specific and said "I want it". It was a genuine eye-opener. After half a decade together, talking endlessly about life, sharing hobbies, likes and dislikes, travelling, going to lectures, museums, concerts, festivals, gigs, trips.

Most men do not care about a woman's inner world.

It's devastating to realise initially, but like much of patriarchy, when you have seen it for what it is that first time, you can never un-see it again. And you always recognise it again instantly, moving forward.

Yup. We're quite objectified aren't we.

Tbh at some point I want my time spent with adults to be quality time with people who enjoy each other's company, listen to each other etc.

When I look back the times like this with men its been dating, when they're trying to win you over, then it falls by the wayside, even with boyfriends in my 20s. Whereas. Y time with friends is always proper conversations, which i come away from feeling understood and uplifted x

Interactions with men just feel like a bit of a waste of time really.

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 21:29

cantbejustme · 26/12/2025 21:20

Yup. We're quite objectified aren't we.

Tbh at some point I want my time spent with adults to be quality time with people who enjoy each other's company, listen to each other etc.

When I look back the times like this with men its been dating, when they're trying to win you over, then it falls by the wayside, even with boyfriends in my 20s. Whereas. Y time with friends is always proper conversations, which i come away from feeling understood and uplifted x

Interactions with men just feel like a bit of a waste of time really.

What you say about the conversations with friends is so bloody true. I've had some amazing conversations with the women folk in my life that have been energising, insightful, and inspiring... about so many different topics from the arts to sciences.

It makes you realise how it just does not compare to the conversations with men who, as you say, objectify us.

I don't objectify women; they don't objectify me. With this in mind, I think this is where the real beauty of pure connection and conversation between people lives. This is the difference, isn't it?

cantbejustme · 26/12/2025 22:14

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 21:29

What you say about the conversations with friends is so bloody true. I've had some amazing conversations with the women folk in my life that have been energising, insightful, and inspiring... about so many different topics from the arts to sciences.

It makes you realise how it just does not compare to the conversations with men who, as you say, objectify us.

I don't objectify women; they don't objectify me. With this in mind, I think this is where the real beauty of pure connection and conversation between people lives. This is the difference, isn't it?

Yup. Honestly when I look back the moments that have felt like proper connection with men have pretty much allllll involved some sort of sexually motivated connection (not just their side from me too).

The exceptions are gay men and a friends hsuband- who we both have a lot in common (and our spouses have a lot in common) but it genuinely feels platonic.

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 22:21

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 21:29

What you say about the conversations with friends is so bloody true. I've had some amazing conversations with the women folk in my life that have been energising, insightful, and inspiring... about so many different topics from the arts to sciences.

It makes you realise how it just does not compare to the conversations with men who, as you say, objectify us.

I don't objectify women; they don't objectify me. With this in mind, I think this is where the real beauty of pure connection and conversation between people lives. This is the difference, isn't it?

I find the opposite. My conversations with my female friends revolve around our kids. When they were little it was sleep/feeding etc, now it’s schools/university applications. It’s so so dull.

My conversations with men are much deeper - politics, business, world events. Also sometimes silly stuff just to make each other laugh, but it’s so much more engaging.

FlockOfSausages · 26/12/2025 22:28

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 20:07

I don’t think this is true. Most of the married women I know over 45 have no idea about a whole load of necessary things - they don’t mow the lawn, light the fire or do anything to do with cars (including MOTs, services, repairs, maintenance).

They don’t do any of the financials either, like remortgaging, insurance, investments etc.

They don’t fix things around the house or do any kind of DIY.

I do all these things and have learnt how to do them because I live alone, but most women I know don’t have a clue.

Women rely on men a lot more than they think.

When I was married my husband did those things you mentioned. But that isn’t because I was clueless, I did those things for years when I was single. He did them because he wanted to. They are easy status jobs, some of them only need to be done once a year and they were used as justification for not doing anything else.

So when I complained about the laziness he would indignantly argue that he took the cars for the mot. He was rubbish at diy and even worse with financials. So I didn’t rely on him. It might be more accurate to say I let him play out that role against my better judgement.

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 22:28

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 22:21

I find the opposite. My conversations with my female friends revolve around our kids. When they were little it was sleep/feeding etc, now it’s schools/university applications. It’s so so dull.

My conversations with men are much deeper - politics, business, world events. Also sometimes silly stuff just to make each other laugh, but it’s so much more engaging.

That's interesting!

I am childfree by choice, so I wonder how much of that has played a part in the dynamic of my conversations with my women friends (what I said in my post applies to women who have had children and those who, like me, haven't).

BlackCatDiscoClub · 26/12/2025 22:48

I used to prefer the company of men because they were often more jokey or talked about things I was interested in. As I got older I realised that they wanted to be listened to more than actually have a conversation. Now I find my female friendships are so much more full, just as hilarious but also able to be deep and broad and have much more range.

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:51

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 20:07

I don’t think this is true. Most of the married women I know over 45 have no idea about a whole load of necessary things - they don’t mow the lawn, light the fire or do anything to do with cars (including MOTs, services, repairs, maintenance).

They don’t do any of the financials either, like remortgaging, insurance, investments etc.

They don’t fix things around the house or do any kind of DIY.

I do all these things and have learnt how to do them because I live alone, but most women I know don’t have a clue.

Women rely on men a lot more than they think.

You mean they rely on paid services?

I don’t need a male romantic partner to manage any of the above. Which is what this thread is about. And a lot of the things above I don’t do as I have no need (no car that needs upkeep, no lawn that needs mowing. Basic DIY is done by me, my landlord or I pay somebody to recover my time.)

Paying for services doesn’t mean you need a male partner anymore than a man paying for cleaning services means he needs a female partner.

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:54

Jade3450 · 26/12/2025 22:21

I find the opposite. My conversations with my female friends revolve around our kids. When they were little it was sleep/feeding etc, now it’s schools/university applications. It’s so so dull.

My conversations with men are much deeper - politics, business, world events. Also sometimes silly stuff just to make each other laugh, but it’s so much more engaging.

Like attracts like (as is evident with you and your female friends.) I note no gender distinction in My circles.
Parents tend to discuss kids more than non-parents but that’s it.

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:58

StopBothering · 26/12/2025 20:40

That realisation crystallised more than a decade ago, incidentally, a few days after Christmas, which is when we split. He hadn't got me anything at all, because he "wasn't even sure what I was interested in" and I hadn't pointed to something specific and said "I want it". It was a genuine eye-opener. After half a decade together, talking endlessly about life, sharing hobbies, likes and dislikes, travelling, going to lectures, museums, concerts, festivals, gigs, trips.

Most men do not care about a woman's inner world.

It's devastating to realise initially, but like much of patriarchy, when you have seen it for what it is that first time, you can never un-see it again. And you always recognise it again instantly, moving forward.

I have said this before but seeing things online about couples being asked about their relationship is depressing. When asked what they like most about their partner, women always describe an aspect of his character and men always describe how she makes his life easier / services she provides him.
She values his individuality, he values having a bangmaid and almost any woman playing that role well will do.

A feminist I follow advises her female followers to ask any many they are dating two questions:

  1. What do you like about me
  2. What do you know about me.
Many men struggle to answer that question about female partners beyond listing services she provides and superficial characteristics. Her inner self simply does not interest them.
TrishM80 · 28/12/2025 13:13

JHound · 28/12/2025 12:51

You mean they rely on paid services?

I don’t need a male romantic partner to manage any of the above. Which is what this thread is about. And a lot of the things above I don’t do as I have no need (no car that needs upkeep, no lawn that needs mowing. Basic DIY is done by me, my landlord or I pay somebody to recover my time.)

Paying for services doesn’t mean you need a male partner anymore than a man paying for cleaning services means he needs a female partner.

So what you're saying is that women are reliant on men's labour for transport, heating, electricity, indoor sanitation and all other manner of tasks that make life worth living?

But this thread is telling us that men are useless incompetent idiots?

JHound · 28/12/2025 13:21

TrishM80 · 28/12/2025 13:13

So what you're saying is that women are reliant on men's labour for transport, heating, electricity, indoor sanitation and all other manner of tasks that make life worth living?

But this thread is telling us that men are useless incompetent idiots?

We are talking about romantic partnership not general labour participation.

If you don’t have the intellectual capacity to grasp that, despite it being stated repeatedly then I am not sure what to say.

If you want to start a separate thread on the value of men and women’s paid and unpaid labour contribution to broader society, feel free.

But I am not interested in your sealioning so stop tagging me in off topic comments.

FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 15:11

The poster who calls themselves Trish has a long posting history that consists of angrily telling women their feelings are wrong and bitterly complaining that women only like losers. The mere hint of a woman having the audacity to think for herself has “Trish” frothing.

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 15:11

The poster who calls themselves Trish has a long posting history that consists of angrily telling women their feelings are wrong and bitterly complaining that women only like losers. The mere hint of a woman having the audacity to think for herself has “Trish” frothing.

Guy….?

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FlockOfSausages · 28/12/2025 16:06

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

Guy….?

I don’t know for certain but I don’t know any women who react with anger and mockery to women having autonomy. I do know there are a number of men who camouflage themselves with a neutral or female name and use this space to side against women, consistently across multiple threads.

They are not debating, they are acting out a grievance and an ideology.

Cando6 · 28/12/2025 17:45

We (well me) are not saying that men are useless or less valuable than women. We are just saying we don’t want one.
Men are fantastic. I couldn’t live without them. I wish them all well. I just don’t want to have to live with one

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 28/12/2025 17:53

Dogsinsantasuits · 28/12/2025 15:35

Guy….?

Ooh ooh we're at the point of the thread where anyone posting a different viewpoint is a man! 😁
It's so predictable it's actually funny now

JHound · 28/12/2025 17:56

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 28/12/2025 17:53

Ooh ooh we're at the point of the thread where anyone posting a different viewpoint is a man! 😁
It's so predictable it's actually funny now

I mean in fairness if somebody is constantly complaining women only like dating losers you can see why people would assume they were male.

It would be a weird thing for a woman to care about.