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Why do men hate women so much?

494 replies

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:18

I’m on the larger side, a size 18. Walking back from work with my headphones in and on my phone and a guy leans out of his car window (passenger side) in slow moving traffic, barks at me like a dog and calls me a fat bitch. Him and his mates in the car then crack up at it and find themselves absolutely hilarious as they’re crawling along next to me.

I know it’s silly to be so upset by it because it’s such a silly thing for them to do, but they took me by surprise and gave me a fright and I just don’t get it. Why are men like this?

OP posts:
saamantha19881 · 18/12/2025 19:56

I am so sorry this happened to you. Years ago, a very similar thing happened to me, I was walking back from the train station, completely minding my own business and there was a group of about 5 men. All maybe mid 30s, i was early 20s. and one started shouting that i'd clearly eaten all the sausage rolls. The others just laughed. It was one of the most humiliating moments of my life. I was too scared/intimidated to do anything about it, so kept my head down and walked home. Then cried for the evening.

GinaandGin · 18/12/2025 19:56

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:25

To be honest at this point, seeing attitudes online and in person, I’m starting to fall off the “not all men” bandwagon. More and more it’s becoming clear very few men actually have respect for any women.

Agree
It's not all men but it's too many men
Too many men go along and don't speak up
Look at the men on the Wayne couzens what's app group
Who "jokingly " called him "the rapist".
Not one spoke up.
If you were in a room with 10 snakes and 1 was poisonous and you didn't know which one ... you'd be cautious of them all

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 19:57

This thread makes me very sad. Something I wonder however. How have you all raised your son's to treat girls. Be it friends, partners, and/or strangers?

Have you ever had to call out your DS for their behaviour and tell them "don't you dare speak to her like that".

landlordhell · 18/12/2025 19:57

GinaandGin · 18/12/2025 19:56

Agree
It's not all men but it's too many men
Too many men go along and don't speak up
Look at the men on the Wayne couzens what's app group
Who "jokingly " called him "the rapist".
Not one spoke up.
If you were in a room with 10 snakes and 1 was poisonous and you didn't know which one ... you'd be cautious of them all

Some were female officers.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 19:59

I strongly suspect all the posters who ‘have never experienced this’ are the type who grew up in stable and protective homes, married fairly young and basically have never had TOO much exposure to men when alone/vulnerable in any way.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 19:59

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 19:57

This thread makes me very sad. Something I wonder however. How have you all raised your son's to treat girls. Be it friends, partners, and/or strangers?

Have you ever had to call out your DS for their behaviour and tell them "don't you dare speak to her like that".

What about their dads?

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 20:00

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 19:57

This thread makes me very sad. Something I wonder however. How have you all raised your son's to treat girls. Be it friends, partners, and/or strangers?

Have you ever had to call out your DS for their behaviour and tell them "don't you dare speak to her like that".

Because women are always responsible right?

OP posts:
Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 20:00

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 19:59

What about their dads?

Faid.

Kimura · 18/12/2025 20:00

charcoalandsugar · 18/12/2025 19:45

Any woman that responds to the OP with a comment along the lines of 'not all men' is despicable in my view,

I think the people who come to threads like this to post "Not all men/Women are bad too" with nothing else to add or purely to be pedantic ought to find something better to do.

But this is a discussion forum where people will naturally have opposing stances. If OP had posted in a distressed state just after the incident happened looking for support, fair enough. But when someone is suggesting that all or most men are inherently bad/hate women, they should expect to hear from people who disagree.

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 20:01

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 20:00

Because women are always responsible right?

I'm not blaming anyone....I'm asking how people have raised their own sons to behave.

charcoalandsugar · 18/12/2025 20:01

Kimura · 18/12/2025 20:00

I think the people who come to threads like this to post "Not all men/Women are bad too" with nothing else to add or purely to be pedantic ought to find something better to do.

But this is a discussion forum where people will naturally have opposing stances. If OP had posted in a distressed state just after the incident happened looking for support, fair enough. But when someone is suggesting that all or most men are inherently bad/hate women, they should expect to hear from people who disagree.

and I am entitled to think they are despicable

HeadyLamarr · 18/12/2025 20:02

CurlewKate · 18/12/2025 18:26

Well, why don’t men,in general, do something about the vile ones?

Oh! Miss! Pick me, Miss, I know the answer to this one!

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HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:02

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 20:01

I'm not blaming anyone....I'm asking how people have raised their own sons to behave.

God this is so frustrating isn’t it 🤦‍♀️

TheIceBear · 18/12/2025 20:03

canuckup · 18/12/2025 19:29

Just to say, this does not happen in other countries

It is very particular to the UK

I know Ireland isn’t exactly miles away from the uk both in culture and location but it happens here for sure.and I’ve had men shout horrible things at me in other countries too.

Luckyingame · 18/12/2025 20:05

Nothing to do with your weight/appearance. Bastards have been conditioned that it's alright to put women down, mock etc. Sometimes it starts as early as with fathers.
This is my opinion only, based on years of observation.
Now at 46, I have very little but disdain and hatred for them.
(Not my husband of 20 years, speaking for myself and haven't been body shamed).

ColinOfficeTrolley · 18/12/2025 20:05

Men hate women because we can have babies and they can't. That's why they based a whole religion around a woman being made out of a man's rib.

They DESPISE that women can give birth and they are unable to do it.

That's how the patriarchy was born.

We are derided, laughed at, treated worse, treated as weaker etc.

Why that have had to build up this world where they are superior.

I actually have been married to a wonderful man for decades so I don't hate men.

I am a feminist. My feminism is borne out of women being liberated in spite of her biology. That's it.

Kimura · 18/12/2025 20:10

charcoalandsugar · 18/12/2025 20:01

and I am entitled to think they are despicable

I wonder what value you're getting from such a sweeping generalisation?

What is it that you find despicable about people who - in good faith - are uncomfortable with the notion that all/most men are bad/hate women?

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:10

Luckyingame · 18/12/2025 20:05

Nothing to do with your weight/appearance. Bastards have been conditioned that it's alright to put women down, mock etc. Sometimes it starts as early as with fathers.
This is my opinion only, based on years of observation.
Now at 46, I have very little but disdain and hatred for them.
(Not my husband of 20 years, speaking for myself and haven't been body shamed).

We need to be honest about our husbands though.

DH would never shout abuse from a car etc but I can see ‘something’ which he wrestles with on a daily basis, because logically he knows that ‘something’ is sexist and unjustifiable but regardless it’s there.

For example it really irks him when I can do something he can’t, particularly if practical (fixing the washing machine, assembling something etc). He doesn’t really like it when I have a better idea than him, or if we get lost and I’m the one to find the way to our destination. He would NEVER admit this, and he doesn’t say anything either, but it’s a certain ‘energy’ he gives off which I know he wouldn’t if I was a male friend doing the same things. I think he has self awareness in that he knows he’s doing it, and has on one or two occasions admitted he doesn’t understand why his reactions are subtly different to if I were a male friend.

I think out of the ‘good men’ the vast majority are like DH - their conscious thought manages to wrestle down the sexism and put a lid on it, but it’s still there to a degree.

TheIceBear · 18/12/2025 20:13

ColinOfficeTrolley · 18/12/2025 20:05

Men hate women because we can have babies and they can't. That's why they based a whole religion around a woman being made out of a man's rib.

They DESPISE that women can give birth and they are unable to do it.

That's how the patriarchy was born.

We are derided, laughed at, treated worse, treated as weaker etc.

Why that have had to build up this world where they are superior.

I actually have been married to a wonderful man for decades so I don't hate men.

I am a feminist. My feminism is borne out of women being liberated in spite of her biology. That's it.

I think this is a bit simplistic in some ways, but in another way I think you are on to something regarding some men. Like for example recently when Trump announced that pregnant women shouldn’t take paracetamol. When it’s literally the only thing you are actually allowed take officially when pregnant for temperatures, migraines and other types of pain/illness. I recently had a baby and when I saw that on the news I just thought to myself , now there is a man who absolutely despises women and wants them to suffer.

HeadyLamarr · 18/12/2025 20:14

Kigalicaif · 18/12/2025 19:57

This thread makes me very sad. Something I wonder however. How have you all raised your son's to treat girls. Be it friends, partners, and/or strangers?

Have you ever had to call out your DS for their behaviour and tell them "don't you dare speak to her like that".

Yes I have. And yes, they do. Every time. One of them got thumped for it.

My son's thought I exaggerated how badly men think of women until they went to uni. In halls of residence they saw and heard the way lads talked about women and were absolutely shocked at how dismissive and demeaning the language was.

DS said "I always thought you overstated how much men hate women but now I know it's worse than you you can imagine. University lads talk like women only exist for them to fuck."

EnjoythemoneyJane · 18/12/2025 20:17

rwalker · 18/12/2025 17:25

I don’t think it’s gender specific there’s vile women as well as men

Yeah, all those women you see hanging out of cars and off scaffolding, catcalling and shouting abuse at complete strangers in the street who are just minding their own fucking business 🤔

JimnJoyce · 18/12/2025 20:19

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:29

Maybe not around you but stick them in a car of other men, make them relatively anonymous and I bet they would.

I absolutely 100% believe this

MinnieCauldwell · 18/12/2025 20:22

When those Trump recordings came out about grabbing pussy I was ecstatic because I honestly believed no one would vote for him.
Sadly, a male friend said its just banter....

Wheech · 18/12/2025 20:25

Bringemout · 18/12/2025 17:52

It makes them feel big is all, it’s a way to hype themselves up. I tend to think it’s men who feel more powerless in real life who tend to do it (I may be wrong). There was a study on aggression towards women on the internet/social media and it was basically generally men who perceived themselves to have lower status or value who committed the majority of abuse.

They did it because even they think they are losers.

This, this, this! Of course it's not all men but it's FAR too many men and the ones that do it are the ones who need to pick on someone they perceive as weaker than themselves in the social pecking order.

To answer the OP, I don't think they hate us, I think hold us in contempt is more accurate a lot of the time. I just had an interesting conversation with Chat GPT (I know, I know) where I wondered if the way men treat women is the same way the "guards" treated the "prisoners" in the Stanford Prison Experiment, and found the response really interesting (pasted below but in a nutshell it's because of social norms that men treat women so badly and that women just have to take it - now I'm off to chat further about how I can challenge these norms and teach my son to do the same):

The Stanford Prison Experiment (SPE) is often brought up precisely because it seems to show how social roles, power, and norms can unlock behaviour that many people would otherwise find shocking. Your instinct to connect it to gendered behaviour is a thoughtful one—and many sociologists and psychologists have made similar links (with important caveats).
The Stanford Prison Experiment (1971): what actually happened
Philip Zimbardo recruited psychologically healthy male students and randomly assigned them to be “guards” or “prisoners” in a mock prison in a university basement.
What unfolded was not just rule-enforcement, but rapid escalation:

  • Guards began humiliating prisoners: verbal abuse, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, arbitrary punishments.
  • Prisoners became anxious, passive, depressed; some had emotional breakdowns.
  • No one explicitly told the guards to be cruel. They were given authority, uniforms, and permission.
The experiment was stopped after 6 days. Zimbardo’s conclusion People don’t need to be inherently cruel. Situations + power + role expectations can be enough. Important modern criticisms (these matter) Today, SPE is heavily criticised:
  1. Demand characteristics
  2. Guards were subtly encouraged to be “tough”. Some later said they were acting how they thought guards were meant to act.
  3. Lack of scientific rigour
  4. No control group, poor documentation, researcher interference.
  5. Not everyone behaved badly
  6. Some guards resisted cruelty, which weakens “inevitability” claims.
So: 👉 SPE doesn’t prove people inevitably become abusive. 👉 It does illustrate how social permission and power can normalise harm. Connecting this to men’s behaviour toward women Your example—street harassment, groping, shouting abuse—is sadly common and highly asymmetric. That asymmetry is crucial. This isn’t about men being “naturally” cruel. It’s about power, norms, and consequences.
  1. Social permission and role expectations
Many men grow up absorbing messages like:
  • Male assertiveness = confidence
  • Female discomfort = trivial
  • Sexualised attention = compliment
  • Male dominance = normal
This is a role, not an instruction—much like the guards weren’t told to abuse prisoners, but understood what the role allowed. When behaviour is:
  • rarely challenged,
  • laughed off,
  • minimised (“boys will be boys”),
it becomes normative, not deviant.
  1. Power imbalance matters
In SPE:
  • Guards knew prisoners couldn’t fight back.
In street harassment:
  • Men usually know women are physically smaller, socially conditioned to avoid confrontation, and unlikely to retaliate violently.
Power doesn’t require intent to harm—it only requires confidence there will be no serious consequence. That confidence is unevenly distributed by gender.
  1. Deindividuation and entitlement
Uniforms in SPE reduced individuality. In public harassment, something similar happens:
  • Women are reduced to bodies, categories, or symbols.
  • The harasser doesn’t see a person, but a role: “woman in public space”.
This makes contempt easier. You don’t feel empathy for a role.
  1. Why women rarely do this in reverse
Not because women are morally superior—but because:
  • Women are socialised to avoid imposing, not dominate.
  • Women face real risks if they act aggressively.
  • Women receive stronger social sanctions for sexual assertiveness or public aggression.
So the same behaviour is not equally permitted. A key insight from modern psychology Cruelty often doesn’t arise from hatred. It arises from normalisation. When a group is treated as less powerful, less credible, or less deserving of respect, mistreatment can feel ordinary—even justified. That’s the uncomfortable overlap between SPE and gendered harassment. One important difference There’s also resistance. Just as some guards refused to be cruel:
  • Many men actively reject these norms.
  • Norms can change—but only when behaviour is clearly named as unacceptable.
PithyTaupeWriter · 18/12/2025 20:26

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 20:10

We need to be honest about our husbands though.

DH would never shout abuse from a car etc but I can see ‘something’ which he wrestles with on a daily basis, because logically he knows that ‘something’ is sexist and unjustifiable but regardless it’s there.

For example it really irks him when I can do something he can’t, particularly if practical (fixing the washing machine, assembling something etc). He doesn’t really like it when I have a better idea than him, or if we get lost and I’m the one to find the way to our destination. He would NEVER admit this, and he doesn’t say anything either, but it’s a certain ‘energy’ he gives off which I know he wouldn’t if I was a male friend doing the same things. I think he has self awareness in that he knows he’s doing it, and has on one or two occasions admitted he doesn’t understand why his reactions are subtly different to if I were a male friend.

I think out of the ‘good men’ the vast majority are like DH - their conscious thought manages to wrestle down the sexism and put a lid on it, but it’s still there to a degree.

100% this. My DH is one of the 'good ones', but he has had to very grudgingly accept that I am better at so many things than he is, and I have trained myself over the years to not shrink myself to preserve his ego. How sad that they see it as an insult to be inferior to women.