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“Birthing parent” language in work policy – inclusive or erasing women?

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InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 20:25

Our workplace has just emailed all staff about changes to parental leave. Throughout the email they repeatedly use the term “the birthing parent”. There is no mention anywhere of women, mothers or maternity leave.

I’m honestly really uncomfortable with it. In trying to be “inclusive”, it feels like women - and our lived experience of pregnancy, childbirth and recovery - are being erased from a policy that is specifically about leave after giving birth.

I’m not anti-inclusion, but I do struggle with language that refuses to even acknowledge women or mothers in this context. Childbirth is not a neutral experience, and maternity leave exists for a reason.

It’s really bugged me, but I’m nervous about pushing back at work in case I’m labelled difficult or “not inclusive enough”.

Am I being unreasonable? Has anyone challenged this kind of language at work, and if so, how did it go?

OP posts:
wiffin · 17/12/2025 22:28

ThatsVertigo · 17/12/2025 21:48

people on these threads confidently assert time and again that "only women can give birth". Not true. Children can and do. This language serves to include them, as well as lesbian couples and transgender people.

Edited

This is at work. So I suspect not a lot of children require the policy.

InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 22:28

Hoardasurass · 17/12/2025 21:49

Everyone who has ever given birth are female and they are mothers, no man has ever given birth nor will one. So how about we use the correct words instead of dehumanising women to pander to some fringe belief system

This is just it ... It is the erasure of women specific language and the unique differences we go through being pregnant, giving birth and being mothers.

Even for lesbian couples there is still one biological mother who is pregnant and going through labour. It wouldn't be hard to use the word maternal or woman.

OP posts:
Ddakji · 17/12/2025 22:28

What the chuff is birthday recovery leave? You have a hangover? Or you’re burnt out from dealing with 30 over excited 6 year olds?

Jinglehop · 17/12/2025 22:29

TreesOfGreen99 · 17/12/2025 21:32

I think it’s clumsy language, but means it’s inclusive for a same sex couple where one mum is giving birth.

On that basis, surely ‘woman giving birth’ or ‘birthing mother’ is equally inclusive language.

InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 22:33

aneelli · 17/12/2025 22:09

Mine does the same, and calls it caregiver leave 🙄 I still put my status as maternity leave. Like just why, who are we trying to include, men can never give birth, it isn’t in their biology.

Good for you! I really want to reply back to them but just don't know how.

OP posts:
MagpiePi · 17/12/2025 22:34

ThatsVertigo · 17/12/2025 21:48

people on these threads confidently assert time and again that "only women can give birth". Not true. Children can and do. This language serves to include them, as well as lesbian couples and transgender people.

Edited

I can confidently say that every child who gives birth is a girl, every lesbian who gives birth is a woman and every transgender person who gives birth is a woman and they would all be mothers. The word ‘mother’ already includes all of them.
Who else, apart from women needs to be included?

jcyclops · 17/12/2025 22:35

Hoardasurass · 17/12/2025 21:59

The adoptive parents would not be entitled to maternity or paternity leave, they would instead be entitled to adoption leave and is a completely different policy and law.
In cases of surrogacy only the surrogate mother would be entitled to maternity leave, the adopting woman or men would get adoption leave. So no you argument is fundamentally wrong

I agree as far as your reply goes, but the OP's work policy is about Parental Leave, not just maternity and/or paternity and the first item on the gov.uk website states:

Shared Parental Leave (SPL) and Statutory Shared Parental Pay (ShPP) can apply if you’re:

  • having a baby
  • using a surrogate to have a baby
  • adopting a child
  • fostering a child who you’re planning to adopt

A comprehensive employer's Parental Leave policy has to cover all these situations, including those few cases when there are three "mothers", so the language used has to be precise. The policy has to comply with the law, but there is nothing to prevent it exceeding the minimum requirements of the relevant law.

QwertyAtThirty · 17/12/2025 22:37

InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 22:25

Really good points.

They have lines for "Birthday recovery leave" and "Bonding leave" for "non birthing and adoptive parents".

Nowhere are they mentioning mothers, women, or fathers either, or maternity or paternity leave or legal entitlements to them.

Ooh, I'm NHS, so we have loads of this anti-women shit in our literature and policies. Fingers crossed we'll be getting 'Birthday Recovery Leave' too, before my next birthday - it's the big 40 and I'm planning a party I'll definitely need to recover from!
I hope you and your colleagues enjoy benefitting from that Leave on an annual basis, OP. How long are you allowed to take each year to recover from your birthday?

Eyeshadow · 17/12/2025 22:38

TreesOfGreen99 · 17/12/2025 21:32

I think it’s clumsy language, but means it’s inclusive for a same sex couple where one mum is giving birth.

Exactly this!

I think if they had said mother then it could offend same sex couples or someone going through surrogacy/adoption.

They could have said the birthing woman I guess but that sounds a bit weird.

I am usually dead against wording like ‘people who have periods’ etc but in this case I wouldn’t be offended by it.

Hoardasurass · 17/12/2025 22:39

jcyclops · 17/12/2025 22:35

I agree as far as your reply goes, but the OP's work policy is about Parental Leave, not just maternity and/or paternity and the first item on the gov.uk website states:

Shared Parental Leave (SPL) and Statutory Shared Parental Pay (ShPP) can apply if you’re:

  • having a baby
  • using a surrogate to have a baby
  • adopting a child
  • fostering a child who you’re planning to adopt

A comprehensive employer's Parental Leave policy has to cover all these situations, including those few cases when there are three "mothers", so the language used has to be precise. The policy has to comply with the law, but there is nothing to prevent it exceeding the minimum requirements of the relevant law.

Yes but they bs nonsense that the ops work put out is also the maternity policy that doesn't mention maternity, women or mothers. So they've arsed up big style these should be separate policies and use the correct legal language not made up bs

andIsaid · 17/12/2025 22:39

AnotherEmma · 17/12/2025 21:54

Well, if they were really talking about lesbian couples, they could refer to "birth mother" (since that's what she is) rather than "birth parent". But come on now, everyone know this policy was not written with lesbian mothers first and foremost in everyone's minds. It was written to placate the TRAs who want to erase the words "woman" and "mother" from anything relating to female biology.

It was written to placate the TRAs who want to erase the words "woman" and "mother" from anything relating to female biology.

Agreed.

I think professional surrogacy also benefit from garbling language and hiding roles.

JandLandG · 17/12/2025 22:42

MissMountshafft · 17/12/2025 21:20

Birthing parent sounds fine to me

“Birthing parent” language in work policy – inclusive or erasing women?"

In my eyes, this kind of thing isn't inclusive but doesn't really erase women either...but it is just utterly ridiculous.

The lanyard classes and their bullshit jobs contributing nothing as usual.

How on earth can this sound "fine"???

Utter tosh

I thought we'd moved past this kind of idiocy, tbh...obviously not in your place.

Without giving yourself away if you don't want to, what kind of workplace is it, OP? What industry?

So much wrong in the world to fix, so much money/resources needed to fix it and this kind of thing is being resourced and actioned.

InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 22:43

Birthing not birthday recovery 😅 thanks auto correct...

I understand that policies need to be inclusive. But what is so wrong with using the word mother, father, etc? We all understand what they mean. Even saying birthing mother or parent if they wanted to maximise inclusivity would be fine. It's the absence of that key word that is a problem and is a continued degradation of female specific language...

OP posts:
Sparklybutold · 17/12/2025 22:44

justpassmethemouse · 17/12/2025 21:23

Inclusive language by definition doesn’t exclude anyone. I’m sure there are other things to worry about 😊

And yet as OP has just described, it does.

InvisibleBumble · 17/12/2025 22:44

JandLandG · 17/12/2025 22:42

“Birthing parent” language in work policy – inclusive or erasing women?"

In my eyes, this kind of thing isn't inclusive but doesn't really erase women either...but it is just utterly ridiculous.

The lanyard classes and their bullshit jobs contributing nothing as usual.

How on earth can this sound "fine"???

Utter tosh

I thought we'd moved past this kind of idiocy, tbh...obviously not in your place.

Without giving yourself away if you don't want to, what kind of workplace is it, OP? What industry?

So much wrong in the world to fix, so much money/resources needed to fix it and this kind of thing is being resourced and actioned.

It's a technology company.

OP posts:
fromcitytocountry · 17/12/2025 22:46

MissMountshafft · 17/12/2025 21:20

Birthing parent sounds fine to me

But only one parent can actually give birth....the mother so pregnancy should be linked to the biological sex of the woman carrying the baby

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 22:49

dementedpixie · 17/12/2025 21:28

Only women give birth so the 'birthing parent' is the mother, so why not just say that

Because the parents could be two women so there is a need to differentiate I imagine.

Sugargliderwombat · 17/12/2025 22:49

Are they just ignoring adoptive parents too?

Ddakji · 17/12/2025 22:50

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 22:49

Because the parents could be two women so there is a need to differentiate I imagine.

Birthing mother does the trick.

We all know why that’s not used.

Alpinette · 17/12/2025 22:53

It’s grim, unnecessary and panders to the permanently offended. Stop it.

Stompingupthemountain · 17/12/2025 22:54

dementedpixie · 17/12/2025 21:28

Only women give birth so the 'birthing parent' is the mother, so why not just say that

But when two women are in a relationship only one of them gives birth. Couples aren’t all heterosexual

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 22:55

Ddakji · 17/12/2025 22:50

Birthing mother does the trick.

We all know why that’s not used.

Well so does birthing parent and it is more inclusive so can’t really see why it is anything to be concerned about.

Ddakji · 17/12/2025 22:56

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 22:55

Well so does birthing parent and it is more inclusive so can’t really see why it is anything to be concerned about.

Birthing parent erases the fact that childbirth is for female people. That matters, a lot. And it’s profoundly misogynistic.

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 23:00

Ddakji · 17/12/2025 22:56

Birthing parent erases the fact that childbirth is for female people. That matters, a lot. And it’s profoundly misogynistic.

Yes but some biological women who give birth may not identify as such, which is their choice, so parent is inclusive in my view. If it not your view that’s fine.

Minjou · 17/12/2025 23:01

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 22:55

Well so does birthing parent and it is more inclusive so can’t really see why it is anything to be concerned about.

It isn't more inclusive. It's fake inclusivity. Every woman who gives birth is the birth mother. 100% of all births, ever, have been by a birth mother. You can't include more people in a category than all the people who are already in a category.

Meaningless, stupid, virtue signalling fake inclusivity. It's insulting.

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