Liverpool attacker sentenced

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Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

I listened to the judge explain the sentencing and thought it was pretty fair tbh. And I don’t often say that.

I’ve also been surprised at how many people were expressing sympathy prior to the court hearing when I thought it was as clear as day that he was just another entitled, violent male. The disclosure of his violent past didn’t come as a surprise.

No active duty & racked up violent offences while in the Service, including violence against a superior officer. He was discharged "Services No Longer Required" after just 22 months in the Marines. He had an even briefer stint with the Royal Engineers before making it through selection for the Marines but again, no active service. If he has PTSD (rather than an amenable shrink) it does not appear to be the result of his time in the Armed Forces.

OP seems surprised by how british justice works.

Trust on this, if you're looking for a weak sentences in this country, go look up a million other cases.

This sentence seems appropriate for the crime. I can't see where you're coming from.

Absolute sheer nastiness. Now we've got to.pay for him for 21 years.
Wonder how he'd like his family mown down

There are sentencing guidelines judges quite rightly have to follow

There is an obvious issue of attempting to 'cross reference' them so that - for example death by dangerous driving and manslaughter have similar sentences

Not easy I know and potentially controversial but it needs doing

All of this.

Really? I was surprised how long it was. Im not convinced he really intended to harm anyone. Somehow I can't shake the feeling he panicked or had some sort of extreme stress response. I know that theory has apparently been debunked and the evidence points to just rage but what caused the rage? When I first saw the videos back when it happened I thought he had driven by accident into the wrong road ajd then couldn't find a way out and panicked when people got mad. I dont know. I can imagine myself making a mistake like that and I'd like to think that no matter how much I panicked I wouldn't plough into people but who knows. I do find it strange that not much info has been released about his motivation.

He also said he ruined other peoples lives. Not excusing what he did but the arrest video is online and he clearly said that he has ruined other peoples lives

He hit 100 people in a two minute period - that's very serious

Driver crime normally get an easy time, I would have guessed at 14 years max. 21 years is a very long prison sentence for any crime committed in a car

ive seen 21 years for a driver purposely killing with a car.

i do think testing on people holding licenses to drive should be under consideration, along with sight tests and general health tests

Yes. I'm not defending him in any way, I just find it fascinating. Usually there's lots of "I knew he was a wrong 'un".

He hit 100 people in two minutes and left several people with life changing injuries

And your point?

I know it's very serious and I guess it's only by sheer luck that no one actually died. I still wonder what possessed him to do that. It's hard to imagine it was just road rage.

My point was that you suggested that it was a long sentence. It was clearly a long sentence for a reason - htfh

He did intend to harm people. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He is a man with a history of violent behaviour and uncontrolled anger.

He wasn't panicking. He was pissed off. And he couldn't control his rage, so he decided to hurt people.

I'm sure there is probably a back story of a chaotic childhood and childhood trauma - that is often the case with men like this. However, it doesn't excuse his behaviour, and no one should be trying to explain it away as a 'mistake' (you seriously can imagine yourself doing the same?!).

In the world of driver crime it is a longer sentence, far to many drivers walk away after killing with a suspended sentence

driver on the pavement kills child, they don’t go to prison 🤷‍♀️

driver not wear his glasses kills person, they don’t go to prison 🤷‍♀️

21 years in prison in comparison to other driver crimes is a long sentence

It’s one of the best sentencing’s given in ages. The courts are too soft

Obviously it's longer because of the scale of people involved

Well thank God he's off the streets and behind bars then if he can get so riled by humans being in his way, in a place he had no right to be that day and plough them down not caring who he bloody kills or maims. Vile man.

I’ll add to that, why is someone who in anger bit someone allowed to hold a vehicle licence? I do believe there should be parameters on retaining a licence if behaviour is such it could lead to aggression with a vehicle

Press coverage would be obvious

That's the bit I'm really struggling to understand. He's only been banned from driving for three years, although he will be required to resit an advanced driving test. This man should never be trusted behind the wheel of a car again in my opinion.

My exact words were: I'd like to think that no matter how much I panicked I wouldn't plough into people but who knows.

I read another case of a young inexperienced driver accidently killing a motor biker through careless driving and she got a suspended sentence. Not saying she should have got more (and yes i can imagine that being me as well.. one of my worst nightmares) but I suppose intent is everything. It just seems like his intent hasn't really been established. What could possess someone to drive into a crowd of people unless there was some form of extreme stress going on?

Im not saying the sentence is wrong by the way but yeah I was surprised by how long it is. I do hope he gets some help in prison with whatever his issues are.

Do not talk for his family. How very dare you. You don’t know them, you don’t know how they are suffering. Nasty.