Liverpool attacker sentenced

[ireallycantbelievethis]

Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

There are many people who talk about how nice someone was even after they've killed family. It's common. It's not just this crime where people have spoken out saying they are surprised - people can hide their anger issues and manipulate people around them

I suppose people find it hard to reconcile the person they knew with the person who committed these crimes

Very few people get handed whole life terms these days. I think the officer who murdered Sarah Everard did but that's rare. The sentence may seem disproportionate but judges have guidelines - and it's a lot higher than people thought he was going to get

As for his wife and kids - how could they have predicted this?

I don't think this had anything to do with football -the only person who knows why he did this is him. He's ruined his own life. He's ruined other people's lives - thankfully no one died.

Which parts of the media are excusing his behaviour?

He was driving aggressively from the minute he left his house.

The reason that people don't do their full sentences is that there isn't enough room in prison for everyone that is being sentenced - that's the reality

I think a lot of people - although let’s be honest, it’s mainly men, become absolute pricks behind the wheel of a car. There’s a sense of entitlement that they are the most supreme drivers on the road. Nobody else knows how to drive as well as them, everyone else should speed up/slow down/overtake like they do, everyone else is doing it ‘wrong’.

I can well imagine this guy was frustrated the traffic was a bit worse than he’d like and other drivers weren’t jumping lights, nipping into gaps, pulling out in front of people etc so by the time he got there, he was simply so incensed his journey had taken him an extra 20 mins he thought he’d reach the pedestrians in his way a lesson. Plus a dose of humiliation when he realised he’d made a massive mistake taking a wrong turn into a closed street full of pedestrians that he couldn’t easily get out from.

Same!

He didn’t get deployed anywhere

He was discharged from the army (for fighting) before he got a whiff of actual service. He is not suffering PTSD from service.

Ok, I havent really followed the case but shall go read up now.

I'm sorry but I don't think you've read the full details of this case at all. He never saw active service, he only ever served in Scotland and was never deployed. He was then discharged from the Marines for biting a man's ear off in a drunken rage - this was all stated in court. He did not have PTSD.

His offences don't qualify him for parole at 50% of sentence.

BTW, you want longer sentences & fewer parolees? In that case you need more prison places, a lot more prison places. That means land, planning permissions, construction, fittings & furnishings (plumbing, electrics, alarms, beds, uniforms...) prison officers & administrators & all they require to do their jobs, you'll also need to increase capacity for prisoner transport & medical care as well as Probation. Those are just the most obvious basics.

But nobody wants tax rises. You get the criminal justice system you pay for.

But he has ptsd diagnosis yes??? And has form for violence, so that indicates something pretty awful in his past. And like many of us ex military have been let down by the system. Like I said, im not justifying what he done....at all!! I think 21yrs is a hefty sentence.

Clearly I havent so ill retract my post....

Let’s cut @CombatBarbie some slack, (who actually has seen active service) whilst she reads up. I’m sure she’ll be pretty annoyed once she realises he’s bringing his (non) military background in as a mitigating circumstance when he barely got through training.

Technically no. But he got in the car knowing he’d had about 3 hrs sleep. They looked at his computer records and he’d been online till the small hours and then got up about 5am.

I thought it was pretty fair tbh. We had a paedophile in our town who had traumatised a number of children who only got 15 years. Sometimes the sentencing is so inconsistent.

Thank you....

Ive asked for my original post to be removed....

For those who may not have seen the full details of this case, it's worth clearing some things up.
He never saw active service and was discharged from the Marines after a number of infractions ranging from minor (dishonesty) to more serious (assault). He then later served a year in prison for biting part of a sailor's ear off in a drunken brawl.
He did not have PTSD as he never served in a war zone, he also didn't use this as part of his defence.
When first bundled into the police van after he was arrested, his first words were "I've ruined my life" - at this point there were still seriously injured people trapped under the wheels of his car.
In initial interviews with police he fabricated a story about being attacked by a fan holding a knife - police have said there's no evidence this ever happened, and believe it was entirely made up.
His own dash cam footage shows him jumping red lights long before he ever reaches the city centre, then shows him calling people "fucking pricks" including at the moment he hit a six month old baby in his pram, throwing him down the road.
I find it fascinating that people have tried so hard to excuse this man's behaviour, even now after it has emerged that he has a history of uncontrolled rage and violence.
I'm afraid this is a classic case of male violence and entitlement, and I would be interested to know what Mr Family Guy was really like behind closed doors.

I thought the sentence was pretty strong since people kill people with their cars and get incredibly light sentences if a sentence at all.

@ireallycantbelievethis

I'm a Scouser and Liverpool fan, I watched this unfold on TV. Im not interested in making excuses for him, I think he's got what he deserved.

But I don't think the BBC are 'pushing' anything.

To many people he appears to have been a good friend, thats just a fact. But he also had a darker past and a violent and dangerous side to his character. That is also a fact.
The BBC have just presented that.

I think it's pretty strange that we aren't building more prisons. If 1% or 0.5% or whatever proportion it is of people go to prison then surely it stands to reason that if the population is increasing then we will need more prison places. It's not like the extra people are going to be more law abiding. We need more prisons for a bigger population in the same way as we need more doctors or school places.

I felt that a Daily Mail article, posted earlier this week but updated today, was overly sympathetic to the offender, focusing on him being a family man, linking the crime to his previous time in service and saying he had no previous crimes etc.

That's totally fair, and I'm sorry if it sounded like I was having a go at you. I just think it's awful that people try to use his military service as an excuse when people like yourself have actually been there, and served our country so proudly and bravely.

Bless you. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has actually served (and seen horrific things), whether you come across genuinely angry people like this in training? It sounds like the army identified him fairly quickly as unsuitable for service - hence his discharge. Does it happen a lot in your experience?