To be concerned about a war?

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Woke up this morning opened my SM and first posts I see are about a basically inevitably pending war with Russia. It’s the first I’ve heard of it. Sir Richard Knighton said the threat needs to be taken seriously and “called for greater honesty with uk families about what it means to prepare for the very real threat to national security”. He also said security situation is more dangerous than it has been at any point in his career and the UK can no longer rely on military forces alone to keep security safe. Finally the comment of “sons and daughters must be prepared to fight” it would take a “whole nation effort” and “families would have to face real sacrifice”

i mean wtaf? I certainly won’t be rushing to the frontline that’s for sure. What’s going on? Very concerned

If your country is being invaded or under threat of invasion you don’t have a choice do you. That’s the bottom line. My soldier grandad died in WW2, my Grandmother was in the WAAF. My grandparents on the Chinese said did have their country invaded by the Japanese and lost everything. No one wants it but people get caught up in it.

@Unicornsarefluffy possibly internment camps, they did it to Japanese civilians in America in WW2. All of them. The UK interred only those under suspicion. Europe is more multi cultural now though would be harder.

There won’t be a war. So, OP, you won't need to test your high-minded principles. You can just carry on telling us all about them with no fear of having to act on them.

Putin knows perfectly well that any military attack on any country west of Ukraine would be a disaster for his forces and for him. The Russian military would be destroyed very quickly.

They are jailed or interned somewhere.

You wouldn’t know if somebody had secret affections for Russia, just as they didn’t know who had secret affections for the Nazis. You just conscript the eligible and anybody discovered to be a spy is shot.

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They’d be sewing their cocks back on faster than you could say Jack Robinson

Or Tommy perhaps.

We see you.

Exactly, it’s far harder now - my old neighbour is Ukrainian - they say that they moved here so their three sons could avoid fighting. But is their loyalty with Ukraine or Russia, they are very unhappy with Zelensky - who knows?

What countries would join with Russia - do we put all those people (on European soil) in internment camps? Or leave them in the UK, while our fighting age people go abroad?

How many people would need to be in the internment camps? This could be millions of individuals. Are the children put in internment camps too?

Who would police them? Would they refuse to be put in the camps?

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couldn’t be Further from the truth, dear

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That’s when the shooting starts
Nothing happens overnight it’s the boiled frog Analogy.
You have a street of 100 families
90 of them refused to fight
So you put one of them in prison and take their children away from them
Three or four of them will try to run to another country that isn’t currently war torn
You have 95 families then who are faced with the choice of having your children taken off you while you’re imprisoned
Or the fathers and the sons within the family sign up for the army to save the female relatives
And then eventually they die and there’s not enough of them so the females sign up anyway
Honestly, I’ve only ever watched a handful of war movies and even I know how it happens. How are people so dim?

Honestly I just ignore it. Can't change anything if it did ever happen, just get on with your life.

If we conscripted all of Boris Johnson's children that would double the strength of the military at a stroke !

Well you're one brand of extremist or another, and bloodthirsty with it. Easy mistake to make.

Not really, we’re discussing a hypothetical situation

And hypothetically you'd shoot people unwilling to fight in a hypothetical war? I'd call that bloodthirsty.

Okay, I’m hypothetically blood thirsty 🤣🤣

All kids east of Germany are now learning at school how to assemble rifles, aged 14, learning how to create an effective resistance, what to do during an invasion and how to shoot using a real rifle (at 18). And our government here does nothing because it would be hugely unpopular with Tik-Tok addicted, ADHD, ASD and anxiety-diagnosed bedroom-bound youngsters. National Service must start now. Russia has a huge navy. Their submarines are already in our waters, preparing to start cutting our cables/pipes. When it all starts - gas gone, electricity gone, Internet gone. Our army is very small and our nuclear capabilities depend on US.

Oh dear, he doesn't need to send any army here, just cut our underwater cables and dump 1 bomb on London. And we won't even retaliate, cause US won't allow.

Sure. He’ll be the Tommy Cooper warmonger: “Just like that”. 🙄

I watched some documentaries on the bosnian wars recently and was horrified at what went on. Mothers shot, teenage daughters taken for 'entertainment'.

I'm not saying any war would follow the same format as the Bosnian wars because that was completely different. However I for one will be first in line for training on how to fire a gun as well as one of my own if it all goes to shit.

I mean I don't want to fight. Def not. However if scary people are going to be doing war like things then I want to at least have a chance of defending myself.
So that means at least learning how to shoot and own a gun.

Like most others I doubt it will come to shooting and being shot. Far more likely to be poisoned (Salisbury anyone) or disruptions to our banking, electricity, food supplies etc (in which case I can see civil war as civilians start fighting among themselves).

I don't really want to think about but given the news recently of russian submarines in our water, russian ships trying to get too close, salisbury attack etc I'm pretty sure they are already trying to hurt us or at least scope us out for attack. I mean how easy would it be for them to disrupt/cut off our communications systems and launch an air attack/nuclear attack?

Whether we like it or not our country's MP's have been vocal about supporting ukraine not to mention offering homes to fleeing ukrainians. We are also a tiny country known to have a weak, shambolic goverment and a lack of army/defence spending. Can you imagine the message it would give the world if he managed to 'give us a hiding'.

Unlike the Ukraines who have fought bravely I look around at our overweight, benefit claiming, mentally ill population and think 'god help us'

I hope if it happens we get given something we can take to kill ourselves if necessary. Not sure if that would still be a cyanide tablet or if there is something more modern.

Worrying times. Given Trump keeps changing his mind as to which side he appears to be on this will be embolding Putin.

Let war happen might wake a few people up.

Having read the whole thread now and having watched the stockpiling and empty shelves during covid then this is how it will go I reckon.

Disrupt our gas supplies, food imports, communications then sit back and wait for the inhouse arguing - this thread being the perfect example.
Then once the supermarkets shelves are empty, hungry, cold and tired neighbours will start looting to find food for their children. Neighbour will turn on neighbour and civil war will ensue.

Putin wont need to set foot on our soil.

Anyone remember covid when neighbours were grassing each other up and happy to buy all the stock in the supermarkets even if it meant others went without.

Once the first person gets a gun to defend their home/food/supplies you will need to follow or be unable to defend yourself.

Whilst all this chaos is going on it would be super easy to do another salisbury in a bigger area or perhaps co-ordinated attacks in many areas.

We got ourself into this war when we armed and sent money to Ukraine and housed their fleeing citizens. We are at least partly responsible for Ukraine lasting this long in the fight. So anyone saying this is not our war can think again. We made it our war when we picked a side and did not remain neutral.

I'm also slightly amused at the person who said Russia can't even conquer Ukraine so no way is Britain in danger. I'm pretty sure the Ukraine population is a far hardier lot than we are. Just because Russia has found them to have much more fighting spirit than they anticipated does not mean the UK would not fold like a pack of cards.

I too remember 2019 and talk in the news of this far off virus in china and thinking 'oh well that's China though, nothing to do with us'. Next thing I was up at 3am trying to get a supermarket slot as that is when they released some to ensure I could feed my family.

I would love to know how people see this hypothetical war panning out?

So Putin, despite having his ass handed to him trying to take Ukraine, and now reducing his ambition to 20% of it, decides, on a totally mad whim to take Latvia (say).

Latvia call on NATO, who pretty quickly develop air superiority and make Putin’s troops fish-in-a-barrel to be bombed at will.

And then? Either Russia retreat and give up, or they retaliate with unconventional weapons (probably tactical nukes). So, we either have a very short war which we win easily, or nuclear Armageddon. Not seeing much in the middle!

What I cannot imagine is British troops in any way fighting Russian troops on the ground.

But they've caused unimaginable loss, death and suffering to Ukraine over the past three years - attacking Britain and causing 1% of the damage they've caused in Ukraine would still be horrendous. I really don't know how we stop them.

My point was that Russia can’t be that much a worldwide threat if they can’t even defeat Ukraine. I’m not saying they haven’t caused damage, I’m saying they haven’t overpowered one country so op shouldn’t worry about them taking on another country as they’re struggling with what they have started