To be concerned about a war?

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Woke up this morning opened my SM and first posts I see are about a basically inevitably pending war with Russia. It’s the first I’ve heard of it. Sir Richard Knighton said the threat needs to be taken seriously and “called for greater honesty with uk families about what it means to prepare for the very real threat to national security”. He also said security situation is more dangerous than it has been at any point in his career and the UK can no longer rely on military forces alone to keep security safe. Finally the comment of “sons and daughters must be prepared to fight” it would take a “whole nation effort” and “families would have to face real sacrifice”

i mean wtaf? I certainly won’t be rushing to the frontline that’s for sure. What’s going on? Very concerned

Well you do know how to stop them, Donbas

I don't believe for a second that we are going to end up in a war with Russia. It just doesn't make sense. What we do need to ask is why is this war scenario being pushed so much by various EU leaders and even our own PM?

Randomly DD2 (20) & I were talking about this yesterday. She had bought it up as a subject she wanted to discuss.

she told me she would go to prison rather than fight. I asked her what she based that on considering she came from a military family.

she told me that this question was brought up by her A level teacher in year 12 as a philosophical question, so ages ago.

it got me thinking about the difference to her dads generation when being in the military was a respected and noble profession. Likewise her uncle, grandfather, great grandfather etc.

now the military is so run down and not fit for purpose.

I asked DH how he would feel if one of his kids wanted to go into the forces and his reply is unprintable.

once it was a thing of pride.
now I think they’re just looking for cannon fodder.

sorry but it’d be a ‘NO’ from me 😔

I'm an American Army veteran. The Russians would first attack Britain's already greatly depleted military assets - Navy and Army bases, RAF bases, Navy ships at sea, etc. Then they'd attack targets like GCHQ, MoD facilities, British ports, natural gas distribution infrastructure, power generation, and communications nodes.

Britain would be so occupied with crises just trying to help civilians survive that it would be out of any larger fight against the Russians.

@MissConductUS ,

But Russia would be fighting all of NATO, not just the UK.

Aside from nukes, what has Russia got that can get anywhere near NATO’s capabilities?!

This is a very pertinent question. And I think it boils down to economics. The phrase "theatre of war" springs to mind. Preparing for a war that is unlikely to happen will influence "the market" and funnel investment into the most persuasive hands. It's part of the exercise of wealth transfer that became blatantly obvious during the pandemic.

We pawns on the bottom rung of the ladder are just collateral damage, and being led by the nose by the leverage of a variety of "ideological / patriotic / religious" carrots.

My big question with all these imminent threats is what are they all waiting for, if they claim such influence and want a result? It's like continuous edge play, almost as if they're waiting to see what we'll do.... and I'm aware someone is probably going to ask me archly "who is this mysterious 'they', " and make Illuminati references. But honestly I think "they" are just the wealthy, the powerful, and they just network to win for shits and giggles, because if the shit hits the fan, they'll have the means to protect themselves while we fight for survival.

It really does feel like some kind of sadistic game from my admittedly cynical perspective.

A no from you ?
It won’t be a question
It’s kind of like if you were facing the death penalty and you knew you were gonna get hanged do you take the sedative and go knowing you’re gonna get hanged but you’ll be away with the fairies
Or do you kick off fight punch drag your feet scream but get hanged anyway?

They still have the third largest miliary in the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces

They have over 600k men fighting in Ukraine currently. Their Navy and Air Force have not been significantly degraded by the war in Ukraine. Their economy is now on a war footing, and their defense industrial base is currently outproducing NATO's.

I think you are right about the money aspect of this. The extremely wealthy people on this planet are more in control than we'd like to imagine - yes they are the mysterious 'They'! Some of them have mad ideas like trying to dim the sun and reduce the population, which sounds mad to most of us but because they're so wealthy they can actually put money into these ideas. Are they trying to get a war going to try to reduce the world population (whilst they hide in well-prepared bunkers) or is something else afoot?

Right now most of us are just engaged in arguments about conscription, what type of warfare there might be, effects on our young people, and so on. It feels like a distraction. A few years ago I would have pooh-poohed all this but not any longer.

Oh that reminds me, I bought the book "Tragedy and Hope 101: The Illusion of Justice, Freedom and Democracy" by Joseph Plummer, which is based on historian Carroll Quigley's book of a similar name. I've yet to read it but I think I should start!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00K5KRQ34?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_digi_asin_title_351

If Putin could take out the entire UK military as quickly as you describe it's odd that he hasn't done that to Ukraine already.

@MissConductUS ,

‘Without nuclear weapons, NATO would likely establish air superiority over Russia relatively
quickly, potentially within days to weeks, due to overwhelming qualitative and quantitative advantages in modern aircraft (like F-35s) and pilot experience, despite Russia's strong ground-based air defenses (S-400s). NATO's combined air power, networked systems, and advanced tech would degrade Russian air capabilities rapidly, turning Russian ground forces vulnerable, though Russia's robust anti-air would initially challenge NATO, requiring careful, attritional tactics.’

Tech trumps size every time.

https://medium.com/@jayduggy87/what-would-happen-if-russia-went-to-war-with-europe-the-real-numbers-behind-putins-threat-55504a68aa1f

Watching limp liberal leaders of borderless welfare state, chaotic and broke countries, which are already occupied by millions of people from all round the world who are engaging in violence and corruption with impunity, get all macho about spending money they don't earn on big boys toys is quite comical.

I imagine Putin is laughing, he did say as much a few days ago where he pointed out that Europe's politicians are doing a good job of making life worse for everyone in Europe already. He's not wrong.

Millions of immigrants are not going to defend Europe, they will be off home in no time and the anxious left won't be up to it at all. The rest are too "far right" to pass the diversity tests to be enlisted. Britain is no longer a united kingdom, it's an economic zone occupied by millions of people from 195 countries who are only here for money.

If I was a young person I wouldn't be fighting - why fight for a country that actively hates its young?

It wouldn’t be a choice

if the government needs you to fight for the countries survival you really won't have a choice. You will just be picked up and taken to a training camp. Unless you can hide indefinitely inside.

It kind of is, actually! People could be conscientious objectors, or die peacefully in their own homes 💁‍♀️

Just not true. They are currently increasing manufacture of missiles that can reach the UK. And we have no air defences against this currently.

Oh come on. Of course you were going to frighten some people. All based on a lot of SM hype & tripe.

you're being flippant while scaring people with children in the forces. Well done.

its not necessary to post everything that crosses your mind.

SM the minute you open your eyes is very bad for your MH. Do yourself a favour & break the habit. Then do everyone else a favour & think before you post scaremongering SM nonsense.

There’s some gold medal scaremongering on this thread.

The ECHR won't permit the deportation of terrorists and murderers. They will be on the side of Russian terrorists and murderers.

It worrys me to.

Every day I am awake and certain world leaders are still breathing it disappoints me. Sadly the world is so filled with hate at the moment. Clear meddling in our politics and SM from USA, RUSSIA and the far right to basically create a fractured country. And so many morons fall for it :(.
Not sure what war would accomplish really - other than setting us back decades. Creating uninhabitable landscapes and basically ruining the world for everyone in it. You would have to be an absolute psychopath to use any nuclear devices.

I sit in the main bit at work with the News on the TV and it is s depressing. Its genuinely making me dislike people more and more. I just want to line all the world leaders up and smack them across the back of the head.

I think some on here are unhealthy salivating over the idea of conscription as they think, using their walnut sized brains, that it will bring about the rejection of Liberalism and everyone will embrace their rock-solid bitter and hateful conservative values.

unhealthily not "unhealthy".

What values do you think the Russians or similar would bring us?

Do you consider describing people as having walnut sized brains to be the opposite of bitter and hateful? The opposite of a feeling of animosity or ill will towards someone being goodwill, friendliness, or cordiality?

I don't think so.