To be concerned about a war?

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Woke up this morning opened my SM and first posts I see are about a basically inevitably pending war with Russia. It’s the first I’ve heard of it. Sir Richard Knighton said the threat needs to be taken seriously and “called for greater honesty with uk families about what it means to prepare for the very real threat to national security”. He also said security situation is more dangerous than it has been at any point in his career and the UK can no longer rely on military forces alone to keep security safe. Finally the comment of “sons and daughters must be prepared to fight” it would take a “whole nation effort” and “families would have to face real sacrifice”

i mean wtaf? I certainly won’t be rushing to the frontline that’s for sure. What’s going on? Very concerned

Abroad where? Russia isn’t just after us.

Honestly I think we're in the grip of a psychological war first and foremost. I think 9/11 was the first real push towards global destabilisation, and there's been a steady push since then. The pandemic sped things up.

Historically there's a theory that every 80 - 100 years there's a major global disruption, so we're bang on timeline for that, be it economic crash or conflict, and the latter tends to follow on the heels of the former.

Thing is, I don't understand the rhetoric that implies a conflict would be a boots on the ground scenario on massive scale, because technology means that our infrastructure could be disabled very fast, and we also have the means for remote warfare.

Actual land invasion for the UK seems highly unlikely, so fighting on home turf is difficult to imagine, and I have doubts that many would willingly go overseas to do it.

So I agree the sabre rattling is concerning, because honestly none of it makes sense. I have no idea what the end game is supposed to be, and I'm too old and tired to worry about it much.

I've said for years that I don't think the end of the world will be apocalyptic in the fiery sense, I think it will be due to collective nervous breakdown. And of course the media joyfully pushes our buttons and clucks and revenue seal our fate.

So I shall feed my cats, have a cuppa and choose which tinfoil hat suits todays political zeitgeist, and wish you well OP.

Strange and interesting times.....

They can’t put everyone in jail

like fuck have I raised two sons to die for this shithole country and old white men’s egos.

There are so many of these threads now.

Any kind of hot war with Russia is extremely unlikely. They would have to overfly and march through a lot of other countries and the channel before they got here!

We are already in a low level Cold War with Russia, but compared to the previous Cold War, it is pretty tame.

We need to show we are serious about our own defence but, beyond that, there really is very little to worry about.

They would only have to match into a NATO country for us to be drawn into a war. NATO countries boarder Russia and Ukraine so they wouldn't have to match that far.

It's not going to happen. When both sides have the means to completely obliterate each other's populations in a matter of minutes (and don't let any Russian apologists tell you the UK couldn't do that to Russia because it absolutely can), the prospect of any direct confrontation between them is so remote as to not bother thinking about

Then why don’t we just stand the army down and why are the experts concerned?

Because if you're an expert with a military background, or in a ministerial position covering the military, you're likely to (quite reasonably) believe the best way to ensure security is with a large well funded military - something we haven't had in the UK for at least the last 30 years.

The best way for this to be achieved quickly is by warning that in the event of a hypothetical war with a very real enemy we wouldn't be adequately prepared. It absolutely doesn't mean that a war is inevitable or even desired.

Also, there's nowhere to "stand the army down" from as they're currently not mobilized for war or doing anything they wouldn't otherwise be doing.

@Alpacajigsaw Completely agree with you. No way are my kids or nephews/nieces going to be fighting for this country. We didnt ask for it, not our circus, not our monkeys.

Russia is already indulging in a dirty war. Major cyber attacks aren't driven by spotty teenagers in a bedroom in Croydon, they are driven by state players.
The attack on JLR caused a significant drop in UK manufacturing output. Who do you imagine caused that?
I think we are far more likely to experience attempts to damage our national infrastructure - banking, power, gas, internet, water, food distribution etc

Russian political interference and attempts to create social unrest have been happening for a while.

As an individual, you can take basic measures. Keep some cash readily available, think about back up system to things you use every day. Keep essential paperwork or back up electronic versions to a local drive or USB. AWS and other data networks have already proved vulnerable. Consider how you would get through a week without access to the Internet or all your normal modern conveniences.
Beyond that there is little you can do now. I also have a 17yo. I'm aware of the threat but the only sensible approach is hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Those of you dismissing any idea of war, what would you do about the situation in Ukraine?
Nothing? Monetary support but no further? Let Putin win? Something else? Not thought about it?

Russia can’t even overpower Ukraine after years. Don’t worry about them attacking Britain.

I come from a military family background, they ought in previous wars after what happened in Iraq not one of my family members would fight for this country again. So the goverments going to have a big shock & its not just my family who feel like this.

Give them whatever we can spare. Russia will stamp their feet and make empty threats, but that's it. They're over 3 years into a war they thought would be over in a week (that they still laughably refuse to say is even a war at all), I wouldn't be losing much sleep over what they think

That article is more aboutnour sons and daughters choosing career paths that in turn will help defend the country more than our kids fighting on the front line.
Warfarenof the future will include more cyber attacks, drones etc.

I think we’re on course for 2029/30 As was predicted in 2019 before the alleged pandemic

If it comes down to it, I’m not sure it’s a invitation. More a you will or you’ll be shot.
They will fill the prisoners up with conscientious objector first and then they’ll start shooting people
And then you’ll sign up

As a fellow menopausal woman- we ride at dawn 😅

"Alleged pandemic" 🙄

I've looked into this. If staying in the UK, Skegness is considered the least likely to be hit by a nuclear bomb, or the resulting fallout. Australia is considered the safest country, owing to it being geographically furthest away from conflict, self sustainable in terms of resources, and less likely to enter conflict due to political neutrality.

I say this all with tongue in cheek of course.

Warfare is far more likely to be waged by unconventional means. In fact, it already is.

That’s just not the case at all. Furthermore, I’d rather be shot than fight for this shit show country

But is this not why world leaders are treading carefully around Trump, because if anyone is mad enough to do this he is.

Australia nearly got starved out by the Japanese

The youth of today will not fight .

How old was the Sydney shooter? Remind me?
How old are the guys climbing Lamp posts to tie union jacks to them?
Oh, they’ll fight
Some of them have just been waiting for an excuse for awhile