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To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

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Dangeos · 15/12/2025 19:11

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

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anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:18

HaimishaPickle · 16/12/2025 19:11

Israel is not Netanyahu's values, political ideology, worldview or the policies of the current government and that's not what your incredibly blinkered version of Israel means to Jews. But then you already know that.
He's not speaking on behalf of Jews worldwide, he's speaking to them.

Yes he’s speaking to them to try and emotionally blackmail them into supporting his government’s policies, while simultaneously dog whistle to the rest of the world that Israel is fighting for all Jews worldwide - so if you oppose Israeli policy you - as it logically follows - “must also be opposing the greatest defender of the rights/interests of Jewish people” (Let’s just call you antisemitic - and even if you’re Jewish!).

soupyspoon · 16/12/2025 19:19

hufngids · 15/12/2025 19:39

I haven’t seen this term anywhere. Where is it being used?

You havent seen it anywhere. Really.

OakleyAnnie · 16/12/2025 19:20

anotherside · 16/12/2025 18:26

I agree. But by turns Israel, in “resisting” the threat of Hamas, has also murdered children (many many more than Hamas in fact, and not merely or predominantly as “collateral damage” either, unless you do not consider purposefully withholding food from a civilian population as a war crime, or the widespread destruction of the majority of hospitals with lifesaving facilities). And it has also engaged in widescale torture of detainees. So let’s be honest about the atrocities committed on both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualandgender-basedviolenceagainstPalestiniansduringtheGazawar

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_during_the_Gaza_war

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Hahaha! You’ve linked to Wikipedia to support your point! That great bastion of truth and reliability! 🤣🤣🤣

Vivi0 · 16/12/2025 19:20

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:07

Of course they’re not framing it as a resistance as that would be a ridiculous term for a state with an annual military budget of $50 billion to use.

The point is that anyone who focuses only on the atrocity/atrocities committed on one side of the Israel/apalestine conflict rather than viewing each atrocity as part of a historical shitshow is only looking for one side to blame for the enduring mess. Got to have a villain. When in reality it’s a historical mess which needs both sides to do a near 180 from their current worldview to have any chance of peaceful coexistence.

When people sitting in warm safe middle class homes in the West begin and end there comment with emotive slogan using like “there’s no excuse for the murder of 20,000 Gazan children” or “there’s no excuse for the murder of Israel civilians” it’s just meaningless slogans, or attempted virtual signalling if you like. Two groups shouting at one another over a proverbial wall. They may as well just say “I think violence is usually bad most of the time” and be done with it. It adds nothing.

Of course they’re not framing it as a resistance as that would be a ridiculous term for a state with an annual military budget of $50 billion to use.

It was you who used the term, though.

But by turns Israel, in “resisting” the threat of Hamas

This thread is about people calling “to globalise the intafada” and whether that term should be banned, given what we have seen in Manchester and Australia.

You are trying to equate things which cannot be equated.

Muslims are not being murdered by Jewish people in Western countries in response to calls to globalise their actions in Gaza. There is no “both sides” to the recent attacks on the Jewish community.

Teddleshon1 · 16/12/2025 19:22

Existing laws should be enforced.

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:22

OakleyAnnie · 16/12/2025 19:20

Hahaha! You’ve linked to Wikipedia to support your point! That great bastion of truth and reliability! 🤣🤣🤣

Well, compared to what typically comes out of the mouth of Netanyahu and his ministers, I’d say Wikipedia holds up pretty well.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 19:26

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 19:08

Oh no thanks. Your agenda won't be reeling me into it.

My agenda ???? My goodness

callmej · 16/12/2025 19:35

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 18:50

I hope quite a few other obvious detractors have been given the warning, across these threads. Their agenda is more than clear. Bad faith, patronising posters who feign innocence, while gaslighting.

As I was typing it, it occurred to me it could have been aimed at a great many people on the thread. Presumably many genuinely believe themselves to be in the right. I would guess their entire bubble is telling them they are, from their friends and family, to the newspapers and SM they read, to their religious leaders. I actually find it scarier than if they understood what they were doing, and were doing it intentionally. The road to hell etc.

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 19:37

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:18

Yes he’s speaking to them to try and emotionally blackmail them into supporting his government’s policies, while simultaneously dog whistle to the rest of the world that Israel is fighting for all Jews worldwide - so if you oppose Israeli policy you - as it logically follows - “must also be opposing the greatest defender of the rights/interests of Jewish people” (Let’s just call you antisemitic - and even if you’re Jewish!).

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WTF. Would you analyse this so deeply if it were Imams speaking on behalf of/for their people?.

HeadyLamarr · 16/12/2025 19:37

Maddyisqueen · 16/12/2025 16:40

You seem to lack objectivity

the poster isn’t justifying, they are linking world events - surely you can countenance the possibility that the killers are trying to influence the killing of more innocents in Gaza

you know they are connected (and no one is justifying that - they just aren’t saying “think like me” as you are)

You seem to be burying your head and sticking fingers in ears saying “la la la”

There is nothing on this earth that links the war in Israel and Gaza with 10 year old Aussie kids at a picnic except the vicious deranged mindset that sees all Jews as culpable.

I don't lack objectivity, I'm just not accepting your premise that conflating the actions of the IDF with the world's Jewish population can be anything other than the position of a frothing antisemitic psychopath.

HaimishaPickle · 16/12/2025 19:40

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:18

Yes he’s speaking to them to try and emotionally blackmail them into supporting his government’s policies, while simultaneously dog whistle to the rest of the world that Israel is fighting for all Jews worldwide - so if you oppose Israeli policy you - as it logically follows - “must also be opposing the greatest defender of the rights/interests of Jewish people” (Let’s just call you antisemitic - and even if you’re Jewish!).

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No, that's your interpretation through a highly prejudiced lens. It's a bit presumptuous to assume you know how any Jews think or feel about Israel or how they'll react to something Netanyahu puts out, he's actually only one tiny part of a much greater whole. It's interesting that you're heavily invested in the ideas of a Jewish hive mind and Netanyahu and his government having such great powers of manipulation and control.

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 19:41

Anybody who is entering these threads and using the but Gaza, but Palestine is acting in bad faith.

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 19:41

1dayatatime · 16/12/2025 19:33

A really good speech by Iman Tawhidi on the Bondi Beach attack and also explaining what "Globalise the Intifada" looks like in reality.

https://x.com/imamsorg/status/2000374659267940401?s=46&t=roDeJ8lNY1suZljI8XTTQg

What a clear, compassionate, and eloquent statement. Thank you for sharing this.

EasternStandard · 16/12/2025 19:42

HeadyLamarr · 16/12/2025 19:37

There is nothing on this earth that links the war in Israel and Gaza with 10 year old Aussie kids at a picnic except the vicious deranged mindset that sees all Jews as culpable.

I don't lack objectivity, I'm just not accepting your premise that conflating the actions of the IDF with the world's Jewish population can be anything other than the position of a frothing antisemitic psychopath.

Agree. ‘Objective’ wasn’t the right word in that post.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 19:42

callmej · 16/12/2025 19:35

As I was typing it, it occurred to me it could have been aimed at a great many people on the thread. Presumably many genuinely believe themselves to be in the right. I would guess their entire bubble is telling them they are, from their friends and family, to the newspapers and SM they read, to their religious leaders. I actually find it scarier than if they understood what they were doing, and were doing it intentionally. The road to hell etc.

I would see many on this thread who believe themselves to be right, who have been indoctrinated. I can only imagine that their friends and family, their religious leaders and their echo chamber is telling them they are.

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 19:45

Dideon · 16/12/2025 19:42

I would see many on this thread who believe themselves to be right, who have been indoctrinated. I can only imagine that their friends and family, their religious leaders and their echo chamber is telling them they are.

How arrogant are you. Not to mention being incapable of reading the room. If I've been 'indoctrinated' to show exclusive empathy and compassion for a 10 year old little girl, who has had her life shot away from her, I will more than happily take that. You, on the other hand.

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:47

HaimishaPickle · 16/12/2025 19:40

No, that's your interpretation through a highly prejudiced lens. It's a bit presumptuous to assume you know how any Jews think or feel about Israel or how they'll react to something Netanyahu puts out, he's actually only one tiny part of a much greater whole. It's interesting that you're heavily invested in the ideas of a Jewish hive mind and Netanyahu and his government having such great powers of manipulation and control.

What a ridiculous straw man argument. It’s Netanyahu that is preaching to Jewish people as if they share or ought to all share a similar worldview.

HaimishaPickle · 16/12/2025 19:52

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:47

What a ridiculous straw man argument. It’s Netanyahu that is preaching to Jewish people as if they share or ought to all share a similar worldview.

I guess that would be your interpretation if you don't believe Jews deserve autonomy or self-determination.

Vivi0 · 16/12/2025 19:57

anotherside · 16/12/2025 19:47

What a ridiculous straw man argument. It’s Netanyahu that is preaching to Jewish people as if they share or ought to all share a similar worldview.

You are reading far too much into this. This is how war time leaders speak. Their objective is to unify their nation.

Have you never heard a war time speech before?

doggiecats · 16/12/2025 19:59

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doggiecats · 16/12/2025 20:00

Kingscallops · 16/12/2025 19:45

How arrogant are you. Not to mention being incapable of reading the room. If I've been 'indoctrinated' to show exclusive empathy and compassion for a 10 year old little girl, who has had her life shot away from her, I will more than happily take that. You, on the other hand.

You know, you should be going after Hamas
Also what about the little girls taken in Israel?

Why do neighbouring countries have walls to stop them coming in

callmej · 16/12/2025 20:13

Dideon · 16/12/2025 19:42

I would see many on this thread who believe themselves to be right, who have been indoctrinated. I can only imagine that their friends and family, their religious leaders and their echo chamber is telling them they are.

Most aren't having their posts removed, or receiving written warnings for racism.

HaimishaPickle · 16/12/2025 20:20

Dideon · 16/12/2025 19:42

I would see many on this thread who believe themselves to be right, who have been indoctrinated. I can only imagine that their friends and family, their religious leaders and their echo chamber is telling them they are.

What religion are the religious leaders you're referring to?

singmoon · 16/12/2025 20:23

Dangeos · 15/12/2025 21:38

It’s shouted at many many pro Palestine protests unfortunately.

I have never heard it used until today, and I read a lot of both Internet and mainstream sources on Gaza and Palestinian

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