To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

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After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

Fair point. I just don't agree with banning freedom of assembly.

I mean France has less rights than the UK now for protest. We also have more rights than Germany, although their bans on certain things have been in for a while.

Tbh I do care a lot about freedom of protest and assembly. I struggle with some of the messaging coming out of the marches. So I feel ambivalent overall.

I agree with you in the sense that I think banning protests and arresting people will just make them do it more, because some of the protesters are really unhinged when it comes to Gaza.

But there's no doubt that this hostile environment for Jews in the UK and beyond is having a damaging effect. I also believe in free speech and freedom of protest and assembly.

I don't know what statement you are referring to but I know many orthodox Jews who have completely unproblematic views on women and homosexuality. In fact I know a gay Orthodox man who has a prominent role in his synagogue. There are extreme views on both issues on the fringes of most religious cimmunities but I would say intolerance of homosexuality is much more widespread and mainstream, for example in Islam, based on my experience, research data and legal staus in respective countries than in Judaism. If 'most people decry Orthodox Jews' that is a shocking reflection of antisemitism in our society. You seem to think thats an ok position?

Yup. Lets see how the ban in France pans out. Although I admit to not following French news.

I follow HK and US news though, and we have seen what has happened in HK, and how the US is going. And while I don't see any way the UK would go the same way as HK, I can see us going the same way as the US, if a nutter got into power.

Yes, it is highly unlikely that many Jewish people are putting themselves amongst that rabble regardless of their opinion on the situation.

We all know that Mary from Barnsley cares very much what Mary from Barnsley thinks and Mary from Barnsley thinks we should all be subject to what she thinks.

Week in, week out, the Mary's from Barnsley are speaking out, occupying our town centres with tea towels wrapped around their heads, shagging the flag of a nation they'd never want to visit.

We all know how important Mary from Barnsley thinks her opinion is on the matter of genocide. Despite never uttering a word against Boko Haram in Nigeria, or the slaughtering of Christians in Sudan.

Unless something drastic happens, the Jewish communities in UK and Europe will diminish as Jews leave because they aren't safe. That's the reality and it's really bad.

I do wonder if this is deliberate, but then these people want to erase Israel as well. Where do they want Jews to go? It feels very much like 1930s Germany.

Not only that, politicians are allowing it to feel like that.

If things carry on like this, our supposedly successful multicultural society won't include Jews as they all start emigrating to Israel. Total own goal for the pro Palestine lobby.

The likes of Rupert Lowe are no friends of Jewish people. I hate to see the far right pretend to support us. We know where they came from.

You are using the attack to put forward far right ideology. That's incredibly inappropriate. Rhetoric about "protecting our borders" is what causes hatred in the first place. Please stop co-opting Jewish suffering to suit your agenda.

You're right. The answer isn't to curtail protest. Racism has become acceptable again; that's what needs to be changed.

Well, for now. But what happens if - as is entirely possible - France gets a far-right government? How will those laws be used then?

Agreed.

I see more authoritarian concerns from current Labour but it’s always worth asking are you ok if a party you don’t like gets in and has the same.

eg moves on jury trials, digital ID, cancelling elections if someone is ok for Starmer to do it they might have Reform in next and not feel so amenable to those restrictions.

My point wasn’t to say they should necessarily be cancelled but to offer France as another example. I understand why there are issues with the marches but overall freedom of assembly should stay.

Jews leave country to go to Israel and then there are those that think Israel shouldn't exist, so wipe Jewish people out, the ultimate aim? Disgusting.

When the protests are facilitating racism, therein lies the problem. These are unprecedented circumstances. It's not as simple as saying banning the protests is curtailing freedom of speech, in this case because the protests are being used to intimidate. They've been allowed to push the boundaries and disrespect those freedoms.

Yes so illegal behaviour needs to be dealt with but protests are t illegal.

Let me just state this as plainly as possible-I don't care if it is "far right ideology." I suspect you all think anyone who is right of centre is far right and wouldn't know "far right" if it jumped up and bit you on the arse. It turns out, these days, believing the same things as your grandparents did now makes you a far right extremist.

You can get squeamish about that all you like-I literally don't give a rat's arse.

Refusing to talk about immigration and protecting our borders from potential threats is what gets people killed. What do you suggest @ForWittyTealOP that we continue to have porous borders, let everyone in who wants in regardless of their backgrounds, motives and just hope for the best?

Yeah, I see that's worked out very well for us so far. And it's not just Jewish suffering, is it?

There have been numerous terrorist attacks across the West, caused by this one community. Not to mention the grooming and rape of what is estimated to be up to 250,000 White girls by gangs of predominantly Pakistani men. It is not just Jews that have suffered because of this group. You seem more concerned about words pushing hatred than you do about actual terrorist attacks and people being killed. Why do you think our Christmas markets have bollards of peace around them? A laugh?

Why do you think Paris has had to cancel their New Year's Eve celebrations? Shits and giggles?

So, forgive me for saying this, you can shove your accusations of "far right," "racism," up your arse. Gone are the days when people aren't going to talk about the elephant in the room because someone like you rolls along and yells "racist!" in lieu of an actual argument.

If you can't or won't protect your borders from people that will do you harm then you can't be shocked when they do you harm. That's what borders are for-to provide protection from potentially hostile threats.

Ask yourself one thing- if the religion wasn't Islam, and it was instead Satanism who had committed all the attacks, rapes, honour killings, ritualistic slaughter of animals-would you want to bury your head in the sand and nothing be done about the malign threat within your society? Or would you want the government and authorities to crack down on it?

And if you can't talk about this after an attack like Bondi Beach where the threat is clearly laid out-bear in mind-they thwarted another attempted attack on Bondi Beach again with 7 middle eastern men being arrested-just days later-when can you?

Are you just going to bury your head in the sand and let other people be the collateral damage for your moral cowardice? Some people would sooner be stabbed or blown up before they'd ever allow someone to consider them racist. You can have that for yourself-but I, for one, won't be silenced because someone like you rolled up and used buzzwords that mean absolutely nothing.

Well, quite.

It turns out that Labour are doing exactly the things that people on the Left project that people on the Right would do-but many make excuses for it that they would never offer the Tories or Reform.

I see a lot of people on the Left excusing or dismissing the choices of Labour when we know they'd be up in arms if Reform did the same.

Freedom of assembly is important, I agree. I do think these marches, if they're to go ahead, should be policed a lot more keenly than they have been in the past to watch/listen for potential antisemitic violent rhetoric, but I think peaceful protest should be allowed-even if I don't agree with it.

As for a "far right" party winning in France-I hope so. After what has been done across Europe, I hope France, Germany and Spain get a right wing government to fix the issues that have been caused and leave the EU. Let it fall.

Your username is rather misleading.

Just been reading that Paris has cancelled its traditional New Year's Eve celebrations along the Champs-Elysee, along with towns in Germany and Australia. Not even the bollards of peace would be enough to ensure the safety of citizens.

So this is our future now. Celebrations to be held indoors. Tragic.

That's the problem, the left are being excused by swinging the pendulum back to the right. The real threat is from the leftist west who are enabling Islamic extremism because they want to be on the 'right side'. Rupert Lowe's proposals are being treated with disdain, just because he sits on the right. How about looking at the bigger picture.

Yeah, I won't hand an olive branch to someone who thinks trotting up and throwing buzzwords out to silence me. Why would I?