To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

[Dangeos]

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

This does puzzle me.

Jews fought with the left historically against fascism. Look where we are now.

Actually quite a lot of fascism is far left:

State control of major industries
State control of banks
Strong welfare support
Suppression of religious beliefs
Anti capitalist

Of course Fascism or Nazis added :
Nationalism and
Militarism

Fascism turned on its head a while back. The left love to present themselves as the peaceful gatekeepers. They are nothing more of a laughing stock now. Look at their rabid reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder. They are the fanatical fascists, no different to Antifa and PAG. You've got a branch who aren't as outward in their views but would rather adopt mockery as their tool. They don't care that Jews have been murdered, they see it as karma. They are just too cowardly to say it because they know they will get banned. Shame MNHQ isn't doing a better job..

Well, that is certainly how the pro Israeli lobby likes to characterise it. Oh, you're upset about us killing children, but what about Sudan? Well you know, we can be upset about both, but the west is not arming and supporting Sudan as a supposedly democratic state, and that's the big difference. For the record, I have protested outside many embassies in my time, including China and the US.

You've forgotten one of the most worrying and that's education.

True - sorry that was a major omission.

The far left is very similar to the far right, correct.

They are both equally worrying, though the most hatred seems to be coming from the left currently.

I don't necessarily see it as the "pro Israeli" lobby but rather a growing feeling from ordinary British folk that are fed with the disruption of the pro Palestine marches, the chants of "from the river..", "globalise the intifada ", the attacks on British military bases, the sledgehammer attack on a police woman, the attack on the synagogue in Manchester and now Bondi beach.

Also their continued refusal to condemn hamas, or demand they surrender and return the hostages. One would think that would be the first step if they really want the war to stop. If Israel continued to attack once hamas was disarmed and all the hostages, living and dead, were returned, nobody would complain about the marches. But marching against Israel and demanding they surrender whilst they're still being attacked by terrorists, and with citizens still missing who are potentially being raped, starved and tortured?!

Can't really understand how anyone has ever viewed these marches as anything other than pro-hamas propaganda though. They started the day after the attack! And even then didn't denounce hamas. If the signs had ever said "disarm hamas" or "return the hostages", I'd have happily marched alongside them. I don't believe any half decent human could go on one of these marches, notice the absence of signs like these (plus the occasional attacks on anyone who did carry something similar), realise they're surrounded by people waving terrorist flags and slogans, who are screaming about globalising a revolt against Jews or wiping Israel off the map, and not immediately turn tail and run - and then donate to an antisemitism charity. But many still march proudly alongside the swastikas and paraglider icons, screaming for jihad and tearing down hostage posters as they go. Then claim bewilderment when the civilised world calls them evil.

Every single person who has marched is complicit in the rising violence against Jews.

Yes exactly as proven by their response to the guy who help up the "Hamas is terrorist" sign.
That caused great offense.

"Death death to the IDF" in London today.

https://x.com/i/status/2001013322838368410

Didn't take them long, did it?
Fuck off, we're all sick of you.

Peace marchers don’t call for death.

I’m an English RC and I don’t feel tugged in any way as I’m just in support of those who have been vilified and murdered throughout the centuries - the Jews.

As a general rule of thumb- you need to question the motives of anyone who wears a face mask on a protest march and that they are highly likely to be backing the wrong side.

He nailed it. All those that think.the term is innocent should listen to this Imman speak.

The next person to say any of this shit in Sydney is getting a punch in the face.

We are done indulging this bullshit.

You wanted violence? Well now you have it. Just fucking try it.

That is a wonderful speech by him, important points and straight to the heart of the matter
thank you for sharing

Calling for the death of anyone is unhinged, honestly.

In London. Hate marchers out in force. The lot of them are sick and need arresting. More people see them for what they are. Terrorist supporters.

The really worrying thing is that there are so many of them here in London, and that the police refuse to act: two tier policing indeed. London has fallen to extremism. It is time that the general public wakes up and call for an end to this.

The support is dwindling now.

Nail on head.

A lot of people are obviously very angry, which is understandable.

Meanwhile, information is emerging about the actual background and motivation of the killers. I don't have time to link to sources right now but it's all out there and doesn't seem contested. They were inspired by ISIS ideology and had recently travelled to the Phillipines where they had militia training with an ISIS-connected organisation.

ISIS have no connection with the intifada - ISIS and Hamas are enemies, the former viewing the latter as degenerates who compromise the true mission of global Islam by concentrating on national, political liberation struggles.

There's no reason to believe that these killers were inspired by calls to globalise the intifada, by pro-Palestine marches or anything else to do with the Palestinian liberation movement (other than an ignorant kneejerk assumption that all muslims are one monolithic force that all sing from the same hymnbook), and good reason to believe the opposite.

Does it make you feel better to believe this? Because this is the biggest load of self justifying mealy mouthed armchair bullsh* I have heard.
For the past two festivals diaspora Jews have been murdered while peacefully worshipping. In three
months this has happened twice. This was previously unthinkable.
In the states a Jewish MIT professor has just been killed by a gunman by his home. It has been suggested that at Brown it was a Jewish professor’s classroom that was targeted.

The past two years have unleashed a global rise in anti semitism. It has allowed it out of the box. Hamas has profited. ISIS has profited. I cannot believe that you are seriously attempting to neatly partition this into separate boxes presumably to justify the hordes of people - from Leamington Spa as a pp said, chanting idiotic but dangerous slogans. It shows how very little you understand anything of what is being said on here.

This misses the point. These two individuals were acting against a backdrop of rising antisemitism across the globe regardless of whether their personal inspiration was Isis, Hamas or any other strand of genocidal Islamism. The normalisation and mainstreaming of antisemitism, through the acceptance of things like people calling for the death of Jews in chants like gloabalise the intifada all feeds into the same direction of travel. Its no comfort to Jews to argue that there are lots of reasons why people want to kill them, not just one. The end result is still the same and the root cause is still the same. The fact that a lot of people, as shown on MN, think its perfectly ok to call for the death of Jews is the problem, whichever angle you're coming at it.