Page 11 | To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

Dangeos · 2025-12-15T19:11:14+00:00

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

SoulSearchBeHonest · 17/12/2025 08:32

User1928 · 17/12/2025 07:56

Does it make you feel better to believe this? Because this is the biggest load of self justifying mealy mouthed armchair bullsh* I have heard.
For the past two festivals diaspora Jews have been murdered while peacefully worshipping. In three
months this has happened twice. This was previously unthinkable.
In the states a Jewish MIT professor has just been killed by a gunman by his home. It has been suggested that at Brown it was a Jewish professor’s classroom that was targeted.

The past two years have unleashed a global rise in anti semitism. It has allowed it out of the box. Hamas has profited. ISIS has profited. I cannot believe that you are seriously attempting to neatly partition this into separate boxes presumably to justify the hordes of people - from Leamington Spa as a pp said, chanting idiotic but dangerous slogans. It shows how very little you understand anything of what is being said on here.

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The excuses, the minimising, the ISIS hate HAMAS, so 'nothing to see here, its a different set of Jewish haters, so calling to 'globalise the intifada' (take direct action against Jewish people) isn't anything to do with the huge increase in anti semitism is awful. These posters excusing, minimising, deflecting, are part of the problem. Open your eyes and ears. Seriously the growing rise in antisemitism is not ok. Its not OK that Jewish people feel unsafe in the UK, (and elsewhere) its not OK that they require security that other members of society dont need on their schools, homes and places of worship.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 08:36

There's no reason to believe that these killers were inspired by calls to globalise the intifada, by pro-Palestine marches or anything else to do with the Palestinian liberation movement (other than an ignorant kneejerk assumption that all muslims are one monolithic force that all sing from the same hymnbook), and good reason to believe the opposite.

And yet they still managed to kill Jewish people...

HaimishaPickle · 17/12/2025 08:46

TruckDiver · 17/12/2025 07:33

A lot of people are obviously very angry, which is understandable.

Meanwhile, information is emerging about the actual background and motivation of the killers. I don't have time to link to sources right now but it's all out there and doesn't seem contested. They were inspired by ISIS ideology and had recently travelled to the Phillipines where they had militia training with an ISIS-connected organisation.

ISIS have no connection with the intifada - ISIS and Hamas are enemies, the former viewing the latter as degenerates who compromise the true mission of global Islam by concentrating on national, political liberation struggles.

There's no reason to believe that these killers were inspired by calls to globalise the intifada, by pro-Palestine marches or anything else to do with the Palestinian liberation movement (other than an ignorant kneejerk assumption that all muslims are one monolithic force that all sing from the same hymnbook), and good reason to believe the opposite.

After considering the highly unlikely speculation that Hamas and ISIS are in fact not two cheeks of the same arse, Jews everywhere are comforted by the explanation that the latest murdering terrorists were possibly emboldened and motivated by completely different slogans, and that two genocidal terrorist death cults hate each other but can align despite their disparate manifestos to hate Jews more.

Now that it's been explained to them, Jews could try being a bit less angry and oversensitive about it and a bit more rational. Sometimes antisemitic murderers might have opposite reasons for killing Jews to other antisemitic murderers and we should really make more effort to understand the nuance so as not to offend anyone by lumping them all together in the Jew-hating genocidal terrorist death cult category.

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

HaimishaPickle · 17/12/2025 09:20

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

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Why are you trying to change the subject?

SharonEllis · 17/12/2025 09:21

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

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Putting aside the rights or wrongs of what you say, what has that got to do with globalising the intifada which is about killing Jewish people outside Israel?

callmej · 17/12/2025 09:23

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

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And it therefore makes perfect sense to murder a load of Jews on the other side of the world to Israel.

Beachtastic · 17/12/2025 09:32

The usual 20% don't give a shit. I just wish it didn't include our own government.

HaimishaPickle · 17/12/2025 09:43

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

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If supporters of Palestine and their protestors were really only interested in peaceful co-existence they wouldn't encourage a movement that touts the eradication of Israel. They wouldn't encourage abusing, othering, hunting, boycotting, ostracising, firebombing, stabbing, shooting and killing Diasporic Jews. They wouldn't encourage damaging and destroying Jewish places of worship, homes, businesses, education, child care, aged care, they could try not telling Jews to go back to where they came from and stop generally hammering home their message that it's all Israel's fault that Jews are not safe and do not belong wherever they are in the world.

Dideon · 17/12/2025 10:26

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SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 10:33

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Fuck me the straw clutching.

callmej · 17/12/2025 10:41

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Openly? Care to provide a link?

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 10:48

TruckDiver · 16/12/2025 20:41

Is there any evidence that the Bondi Beach killers were influenced by that phrase?

The word intifada refers specifically to resistance against the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, not to action against jews generally because of their enthnicity.

Then why is anyone shouting to 'globalise' it? What does that even mean? If it's that specific then what precise actions are the rest of the people in the world meant to do exactly?

It's a call to violence and uprising against Jewish people worldwide. I wish people would just own that. Being gaslighted nonstop is a bit exhausting now.

Dideon · 17/12/2025 11:23

callmej · 17/12/2025 10:41

Openly? Care to provide a link?

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I can but yet again my post has been taken down so it’s pointless.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 11:25

Dideon · 17/12/2025 11:23

I can but yet again my post has been taken down so it’s pointless.

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It would only get taken down for breaking guidelines, so what on earth are you actually posting?

Dideon · 17/12/2025 11:31

SpaceRaccoon · 17/12/2025 11:25

It would only get taken down for breaking guidelines, so what on earth are you actually posting?

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I have messaged Mumsnet again as I haven’t got a clue .

hufngids · 17/12/2025 12:01

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What nonsense. Re-read my post. The man in Australia was on a watch list and he was taken off. Why? The intel was not good and the same has happened in other atrocities. Read my words. They are atrocities. I don’t condone them in any sense at all and you are purposefully misinterpreting what I have said.

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 13:05

hufngids · 17/12/2025 13:04

What nonsense. Re-read my post. The man in Australia was on a watch list and he was taken off. Why? The intel was not good and the same has happened in other atrocities. Read my words. They are atrocities. I don’t condone them in any sense at all and you are purposefully misinterpreting what I have said.

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Anybody who tries to explain away a hate slogan is suspect.

WestwardHo1 · 17/12/2025 13:08

TruckDiver · 17/12/2025 07:33

A lot of people are obviously very angry, which is understandable.

Meanwhile, information is emerging about the actual background and motivation of the killers. I don't have time to link to sources right now but it's all out there and doesn't seem contested. They were inspired by ISIS ideology and had recently travelled to the Phillipines where they had militia training with an ISIS-connected organisation.

ISIS have no connection with the intifada - ISIS and Hamas are enemies, the former viewing the latter as degenerates who compromise the true mission of global Islam by concentrating on national, political liberation struggles.

There's no reason to believe that these killers were inspired by calls to globalise the intifada, by pro-Palestine marches or anything else to do with the Palestinian liberation movement (other than an ignorant kneejerk assumption that all muslims are one monolithic force that all sing from the same hymnbook), and good reason to believe the opposite.

Un fucking believable.

WestwardHo1 · 17/12/2025 13:10

anotherside · 17/12/2025 09:15

If Israel was really only interested in peaceful coexistence it wouldn’t have encouraged 600-700,000 illegal settlers to make home in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Often at the expense of Palestinans themselves who have been forced to flee their own homes.

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Sorry, why have you posted this on a thread about antisemitism and terrorism?

WestwardHo1 · 17/12/2025 13:16

The level of genuine antisemitism from certain posters is genuinely jaw dropping and it's terrifying.

They would be quite at home in Nazi Germany and that's before the state of Israel existed. They would be quite at home in 1890s Russia during the pogroms and that's before the state of Israel existed. Do they never stop to ask themselves why the State of Israel was established? Of course they don't. Do they never stop to ask themselves why Jews in "peaceful" European countries are emigrating TO Israel despite it being right next door to the Hamas nutters? Of course they don't.

Why, why do you hate Jews so much? Try and answer without using the words "Gaza" and "Palestine".

manova366 · 17/12/2025 13:30

HaimishaPickle · 17/12/2025 08:46

After considering the highly unlikely speculation that Hamas and ISIS are in fact not two cheeks of the same arse, Jews everywhere are comforted by the explanation that the latest murdering terrorists were possibly emboldened and motivated by completely different slogans, and that two genocidal terrorist death cults hate each other but can align despite their disparate manifestos to hate Jews more.

Now that it's been explained to them, Jews could try being a bit less angry and oversensitive about it and a bit more rational. Sometimes antisemitic murderers might have opposite reasons for killing Jews to other antisemitic murderers and we should really make more effort to understand the nuance so as not to offend anyone by lumping them all together in the Jew-hating genocidal terrorist death cult category.

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Brava

Dideon · 17/12/2025 13:34

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So you call be an anti-semite and talk about my hatred ?
Anybody reading this post which is just a simple reply to your shocking personal attack will be witness to the fact that if it gets taken down I will again be perplexed.