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To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:30

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

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BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 17:39

singmoon · 17/12/2025 17:31

It's a very reasonable point. Protesting Israeli actions is not anti semitic, and just saying that it is over and over doesn't make it so.

Protesting by saying ‘globalise the intifada’ isn’t antisemitic?

moderate · 17/12/2025 17:41

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:41

the majority of the 1200 people butchered to death in 7 October 2023 were young people at the Nova festival.

The massacre on 7th October was abhorrent. Israel's response has been disproportionate and is also abhorrent. Nothing justifies the levels of violence on either side.

To you and anyone who thinks that Israel's response has been disproportionate: I suggest you stop to consider exactly what it looks like to wage war against an enemy which gleefully declares itself to love death more than you love life, and who have spent billions of international aid on creating a tunnel network for the exact purpose of making it impossible for you to strike them without collateral damage.

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/urban-warfare-project-podcast-the-tunnels-of-gaza/

Urban Warfare Project Podcast: The Tunnels of Gaza - Modern War Institute

In this episode of the Urban Warfare Project Podcast, John Spencer examines the subterranean war in Gaza. Fresh from Gaza City and drawing on seven trips to Israel since October 7, he explains why Hamas’s tunnel network mattered more than the surface f...

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/urban-warfare-project-podcast-the-tunnels-of-gaza/

moderate · 17/12/2025 17:44

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 17:37

I am happy to stand corrected. If its more appropriate to refer to Hamas & Likud as comparable in terms of accountability I am happy to going forward. It seems a bit less correct to compare Palestine & Israel when Israel is fully recognised as a state and Palestine isnt.

International recognition is a red herring here. The salient point is whether the state is acting on behalf of its citizens. The polling makes clear that most Palestinians supported Hamas's actions on Oct 7.

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:44

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MaturingCheeseball · 17/12/2025 17:45

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Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:46

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Zero relevance to the thread but you know that.

pointythings · 17/12/2025 17:46

moderate · 17/12/2025 17:44

International recognition is a red herring here. The salient point is whether the state is acting on behalf of its citizens. The polling makes clear that most Palestinians supported Hamas's actions on Oct 7.

Even the children who were killed?

moderate · 17/12/2025 17:46

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PinkTonic · 17/12/2025 17:47

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 17:22

Notice I haven’t seen yet what the right response would have been to a horde of bloodthirsty rapists storming the border and calling for the destruction of the entire country…

The issue is there’s no negotiating with a terrorist group. They aren’t interested in a peaceful settlement or and end to violence. They are inherently evil, violent people. So what would the ‘right’ thing even look like? They won’t even use the word Israel so how do you start a friendly chat about maybe not raping my population while cheering joyfully. And you can say but decades of whatever and I’d counter with decades of other things too - there’s a reason for the iron dome and it wasn’t because Israel’s neighbours tend to throw flowers.

They aren’t just a terrorist group are they? I mean you shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists for sure but these ones are another level, a death cult who revel in their own martyrdom. Who could never be appeased because they are calling for the eradication of a race and a country. I simply don’t understand how any civilised human being could attempt to excuse them or draw parallels with the actions of Israel. I’m shocked at these threads, at the blatant antisemitism and the abject stupidity of the useful idiots who have sunk so deep into the mire of propaganda and manipulation they can’t see daylight.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2025 17:47

singmoon · 17/12/2025 17:31

It's a very reasonable point. Protesting Israeli actions is not anti semitic, and just saying that it is over and over doesn't make it so.

The only person saying that over and over is you. You won't be able to find a single instance of me or anyone else on this thread saying that protesting Israeli actions is antisemitic. You've already been told multiple times that nobody is saying protesting Israeli actions is antisemitic. You seem determined to keep it up, to the point of using a Jewish poster's profound and very personal post to once again air your personal grievance about what you think does and doesn't constitute antisemitism based on something that isn't even happening.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:48

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2025 17:47

The only person saying that over and over is you. You won't be able to find a single instance of me or anyone else on this thread saying that protesting Israeli actions is antisemitic. You've already been told multiple times that nobody is saying protesting Israeli actions is antisemitic. You seem determined to keep it up, to the point of using a Jewish poster's profound and very personal post to once again air your personal grievance about what you think does and doesn't constitute antisemitism based on something that isn't even happening.

👏👏👏

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:48

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:46

Zero relevance to the thread but you know that.

how is it not relevant

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:49

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:48

how is it not relevant

You've made a sarcastic comment not in the spirit of the thread. Once again, you know that.

BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 17:49

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:48

how is it not relevant

Could you spell out the relevance of Gaza to antisemitism?

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:50

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This is not the thread for your post. Try the CITME board which is full of similar threads.

moderate · 17/12/2025 17:51

pointythings · 17/12/2025 17:46

Even the children who were killed?

No, but again, I urge you to read up about what the IDF does before striking a target to try to make sure civilians have had a chance to evacuate, and consider what it means to fight an enemy which avowedly loves death more than you love life.

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:53

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Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:55

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Can't believe your first goady post wasn't deleted. As a pp said you're now being more emboldened. Shame on MNHQ.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:56

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Not on this thread. CITME is your friend.

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:57

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:56

Not on this thread. CITME is your friend.

Yes it went on the wrong thread

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:57

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Reported

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:58

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:57

Reported

It was the wrong thread

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:58

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 17:57

Reported

Will be interesting to see what happens

SnackQueen · 17/12/2025 17:58

The fact the YABU vote is even in double digits shows us exactly what kind of mess we are in.

Whistonia · 17/12/2025 17:59

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