To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

[LucyWestenra]

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

Maybe part of that is to understand how the Palestinian Arabs contributed to the disaster that befell them in 1947-48.
This is part of the point here. It was not a black and white situation. You can recognise the catastrophe that happened to the Palestinian people without casting all the blame on the Jewish side.

This is the whole point of the situation - there is nuance and there is fault on both sides. Read about why Palestinian Arabs refused the partition plan of 1947. It wasn't because it was unfair. They did not propose any alternative. They refused any Jewish statehood in mandatory Palestine. Yes, there was displacement and killing but that was on BOTH sides and the Arabs expelled all the Jews from any territory they held such as the Old City of Jerusalem. Why is it so easy to just blame Israel?

Read about the negotiations during Camp David, especially with Ehud Barak. Yes, Israelis were certainly not without fault but, at that point, they were willing to give nearly all the WB and all of Gaza with land swaps for the remainign bit of the WB and for the establishment of a Palestinian state. There are many first hand accounts of people who were there in the room who put most of the blame for the failure of the talks on the Palesitnian side.

Part and parcel of the issue of antisemitism is the very demonisation of Israelis and the founding of the State of Israel.

It is not and it was not one-sided. Palestinians are not some hapless victims wiht no agency. Israeli are not some evil force, dominating and controlling the world. These are very tied up with the issues of antisemisitsm was are seeing today. After all, what's the difference between an Israeli Jew and an American Jew or a British Jew other than where the vagaries of fortune led them to ending up? If one is inherently evil, then so is the other.

I just saw this on the news. Chilling.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vmyv5vmm2o

Very good post. I don't set much store by Barak given the very disturbing Epstein allegations,

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=forward.com/tag/ehud-barak/&ved=2ahUKEwiC0M-ym9WRAxWYUkEAHWHgHxQ4ChAWegQIMxAB&usg=AOvVaw1HmW3hvINL7aks6OW-xJXi

But we don't know for certain & his political actions appear to be reasonable, whatever his private ones have been...

Clinton was also a sexual predator but i still believe his account of what went on

Exactly, someone can be bad, an offender even, but it doesn't mean they've offended in this instance necessarily.

This needs sending to everyone to read. Everyone.

Yes, it's awful. I hope people who are worried that the state doesn't care and doesn't want to protect us can see here that that's not the case. Sadly they won't be able to catch everyone, but they are absolutely trying to stop people like these men.

Good to see the government are taking antisemitism seriously...

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2004603692197036322

https://archive.is/FMpoH

I couldn't believe this report when I read it earlier. Are Starmer (and his 'advisors') really so unaware of this man's hatred expressed online in relation not just to Jews but also Christians and Brits in general? WTAF?

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Absolutely shocking, even for Starmer.

Very shocking - I thought it must be a spoof at first but No.

I've started a new thread about it as we're on page 40 of this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5466146-to-think-that-kier-starmer-shouldnt-be-welcoming-extremists-into-britain?reply=149452444

That thread is already panning out as predicted.

Thank you @Twiglets1

Not so sure that they are tackling antisemitism or encouraging it

Todays new thread. This bloke welcomed to the UK

"Alaa Abd el-Fattah called for Zionists ‘including civilians’ to be killed, and said he hated white people"

Lammy and Cooper have been brown tonguing this lunatic too. What the fuck is happening? Did they leave the communal brain cell in the Commons over Christmas?

And I don't see how Starmer having a Jewish wife cancels this out. Many misogynists have wives and daughters.

How dare they??

Labour can't hide what they have become. Remember, Keir Starmer was Corbyn's man although he tries to excuse it now. And Corbyn is a friend of Hamas.

Corbyn makes me sick. To think he can still lead a party which is nothing more than a cover for hating Britain.