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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 12:42

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

What does the Israeli government have to do with Bondi Beach?

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:44

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 12:39

Plenty of Christian sects also believe that anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ will go to hell. In fact, belief being the path to salvation is pretty standard in most religions (with the notable exception of Judaism, where living a good life on earth seems to be the criteria for admission). This is not unique to or uniquely stringent in Islam.

Ahhh, that explains all those Christian suicide bombers then?

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 12:46

littleburn · 15/12/2025 12:33

I think most ‘anti-Zionists’ simply define it as the former, hence the ‘from the river to the sea’ and ‘Israel is a colonialist entity’ sloganeering. They simply don’t believe Israel has the right to exist. Of course they’ll still argue that isn’t the same as anti-Semitism. And yet their behaviour means record numbers of Jews no longer feel safe in the West and are actively looking to move to Israel, the one country where they know they’re welcome and will be protected. But by anti-Zionist logic that country shouldn’t exist … so where exactly are the Jews allowed to exist safely?

Many of us believe that Jews have the right to live safely and in peace, but not at the expense of other people’s lives and freedoms. That is where the problem is.

People say the Zionism is simply the belief that Jews have the right to a homeland, but why should anyone have the right to a homeland when it means obliterating another people out of existence?

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:46

Meadowfinch · 15/12/2025 12:42

Exactly.

The tragic thing is that the attackers equate being Jewish with being as vicious and hateful as Netanyahu, and they are not the same thing.

If you were Netanyahu, how would you have responded to the violent rape, murder and kidnapping of 700+ of your civilians?

CypressGrove · 15/12/2025 12:47

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:34

I have read multiple news pages and not one has mentioned ISIS. Not the Times, Guardian, BBC or N1 in NZ. Where is the official report?

They had an ISIS flag in their car along with some home made bombs. Its in the official police reports.

Anactor · 15/12/2025 12:47

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

If you bring the actions of Israel into a post about a racist attack on Australians celebrating Hanukkah in Australia, you are anti-Semitic.

Would you do this about any other ethnicity? Would you bring in your objection to the behaviour of the Qatari government to a post about a racist attack on Australians at an Iftar party in Australia?

And if you wouldn’t, why do you feel the need to ‘but Israel’ when the terrorists make a racist attack on Jews?

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 12:49

Anactor · 15/12/2025 12:47

If you bring the actions of Israel into a post about a racist attack on Australians celebrating Hanukkah in Australia, you are anti-Semitic.

Would you do this about any other ethnicity? Would you bring in your objection to the behaviour of the Qatari government to a post about a racist attack on Australians at an Iftar party in Australia?

And if you wouldn’t, why do you feel the need to ‘but Israel’ when the terrorists make a racist attack on Jews?

You are 100% right. And then they piously condemn people who link all Jews with the actions of the current Israeli government, without apparently realising that they are perpetuating the problem.

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:51

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

I feel exactly like this - I am not anti semetic , I am however at the moment totally anti the Israeli gvts behaviour, and I’m sure plenty of Jewish people are too- I’m also totally anti the original atrocities by the opposing Palestinian terrorists.- just as I’m not anti American but am at a loss to fathom out Trumps very erraticpolicies and behaviour. This does of course not excuse this dreadful attack regardless of their motives or beliefs.

Cece92 · 15/12/2025 12:52

It’s absolutely horrendous and damn right a terror attack against Jews. A peaceful observation to celebrate the start of Hanukkah a little girl died many lost family and friends. Regardless to what religion was celebrating its out right racism and terrorism.

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:54

I find it abhorrent that people would choose to side with Hamas, a brutal Islamic terrorist organisation that promotes Sharia law, where women have few rights, and where gay people are routinely thrown from rooftops, over Israel who subscribe to western values, who are defending themselves as best they can, being surrounded by countries and a religion that wants to erase them from the face of the planet.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:55

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:51

I feel exactly like this - I am not anti semetic , I am however at the moment totally anti the Israeli gvts behaviour, and I’m sure plenty of Jewish people are too- I’m also totally anti the original atrocities by the opposing Palestinian terrorists.- just as I’m not anti American but am at a loss to fathom out Trumps very erraticpolicies and behaviour. This does of course not excuse this dreadful attack regardless of their motives or beliefs.

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If it doesn't excuse the dreadful attack, then why mention it?
Why link attacks on Australian Jews to events in Israel?

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:57

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:55

If it doesn't excuse the dreadful attack, then why mention it?
Why link attacks on Australian Jews to events in Israel?

Because you cannot to my mind dissociate clearly any anti semetic behaviour with the ongoing situation in Israel/palestine.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:58

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2025 12:18

A small point, I know, but it seems especially sickening that the mother and wife of the killers thought this a good time to start mewling about her son being "a good boy"

Given the hate that must have been shared between father and son I wonder what kind of conversations took place in that home, and what she too might have turned a blind eye to

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mother-of-alleged-bondi-killer-anyone-would-wish-to-have-a-son-like-mine-hes-a-good-boy/

That can only be shock talking. I wouldn't have published that. Publishing it is also sickening. No-one wants to hear it. And then to illustrate it with the picture of him with a gun. This horror is unimaginable. Everyone needs some kind of counselling. Especially Jewish people. It almost feels as if we ordinary people have to make a stand - not with angry retaliation, but to protect vulnerable communities. I don't know how, so it's just words really.

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 12:59

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EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:59

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:55

If it doesn't excuse the dreadful attack, then why mention it?
Why link attacks on Australian Jews to events in Israel?

I’m interested too. Why link it. Look at that smiling picture of an Australian ten year old girl and think about why you’ve got to mention Gaza.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 12:59

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:51

I feel exactly like this - I am not anti semetic , I am however at the moment totally anti the Israeli gvts behaviour, and I’m sure plenty of Jewish people are too- I’m also totally anti the original atrocities by the opposing Palestinian terrorists.- just as I’m not anti American but am at a loss to fathom out Trumps very erraticpolicies and behaviour. This does of course not excuse this dreadful attack regardless of their motives or beliefs.

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what does this have to do with the massacre of Jews on Bondi beach?

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:59

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EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:59

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:57

Because you cannot to my mind dissociate clearly any anti semetic behaviour with the ongoing situation in Israel/palestine.

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Oh my god. That's terrible.
You think all Jews are to blame, including that 10 year old child on the beach?

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:59

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:57

Because you cannot to my mind dissociate clearly any anti semetic behaviour with the ongoing situation in Israel/palestine.

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Why? What has a little girl on Bondi Beach done?

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:00

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:23

Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people, described himself as a “Christian” cultural warrior in his manifesto.

But he was a lone loony, not a member of a global radical cult.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 13:00

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:59

Why? What has a little girl on Bondi Beach done?

It's genuinely unbelievable, isn't it?

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 13:01

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:00

But he was a lone loony, not a member of a global radical cult.

Yes, and I don't recall anyone blaming his victims.

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 13:02

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

I completely agree with you. this is a terrifying time to be Jewish.

I also think that hatred and violence against the Jewish community is being galvanised by the actions of the current Israeli government in Gaza. This is not a justification, it's just a fact that this "war" is inciting much hatred towards Jewish communities. Which is heartbreaking. I don't think that the Israeli government have sufficiently recognised this.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 13:02

ChristmasMantleStatue · 15/12/2025 12:55

I posted this on the other thread.

People apparently can look at this little girl and bleat 'But gaza!'. Like these attacks were somehow justified.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-15/bondi-beach-shooting-victims-named-as-10yo-matilda-and-rabbis/106142362

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It isn't that they are justified, it's that they are making the point that for every picture like this they can post at least 100 of a Palestinian child who is no longer with us.

Listen, some of us can't help making the connection. We just can't. Because of that I feel it is more respectful for me to not contribute to this thread anymore because I absolutely know where you are coming from and need to just let you and others express what you need to express.

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