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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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HappyFace2025 · 16/12/2025 09:53

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 09:50

I can help here.

They hate Jews.

It's so simple to understand, isn't it.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 09:54

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 09:50

Yes, they do. It’s in one of Isis’s insane “manifestos.”

I would also question why it is that pointing this out is controversial and racist but the level of violence and antisemitism towards the Jewish faith is apparently not.

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 09:55

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 09:49

This, sadly. It is as simple as this.

Not sure why so many posters on this thread won't look this in the eye

Hamas very effectively pulled the wool over people's eyes by dressing up 7/10 as a struggle against oppression. This is much easier for the Western securlar/liberal mind to understand than their actual motives.

inamarina · 16/12/2025 09:55

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 08:41

The atrocities of 7 October were not caused by the Gaza war and were carried out by Gazan civilian mobs alongside Hamas. The mobs probably escalated things to a level of sadism that was beyond what Hamas intended. Are you expecting those attacks to "breed terrorism" among Israelis?

What breeds terrorism is a dangerous ideology that wants Israel and the Jewish people to be obliterated and promises material and heavenly rewards for anyone helping to achieve this.

7 October was a two-pronged attack: one "on the ground" as it were, and the other in the streets of our cities and on social media. The latter is gaining impetus, as evidenced by some of the responses on this thread.

Are you expecting those attacks to "breed terrorism" among Israelis?

That’s a good question. For some reason some people seem to see any kind of radicalisation in the Israel-Palestine conflict as a one way street, it’s always “Well, can you really blame Palestinians…”

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 09:55

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 09:50

I can help here.

They hate Jews.

Yes. It’s that simple. It’s just really hard to get your head around how anyone can hate innocent people that much. Normal people’s brains are not wired to understand such meaninglessness, so they cast about for some deeper reason, some psychology that could give any insight into such a criminal, murderous mind. But the answer is that they’re madmen.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 09:56

5MinuteArgument · 16/12/2025 09:39

I do believe Muslims worldwide feel an affinity with other Muslims. There is a perceived grievance against the West and Isreal. Not all Muslims have this mindset, but it is fairly widespread.

The attack in Sydney is similar in nature to other attacks (9/11, 7/7, Manchester Arena, Orlando nightclub, Magdeburg Christmas market, Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, Lee Rigby, Samuel Paty and many more).

They feel an affinity with some Muslims. Especially if it's do with Palestine and Jews.
Less so if it's, say, Rohingya refugees. The ones Bangladesh fences into a camp (but no one calls that the Warsaw ghetto), the ones Malaysia and Indonesia send back out to sea to die. And no one is shooting down Buddhist festivals.

Jews feel an incredible affinity with Jews around the world as a people as well as a religion yet are not gunning down Muslims in mosques in France as a percevied greivance for 7/10.

I just think it's a lazy explanation which ignores the deep anti-semitism in many Muslim communities. Most Pakistanis have never met a Jew but hate them
Look at this admittedly old Pew survye
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2008/09/17/chapter-1-views-of-religious-groups/#:~:text=Negative%20attitudes%20also%20are%20common,unfavorable%2C%2010%25%20favorable).

Chapter 1. Views of Religious Groups

In many countries, negative attitudes toward Muslims and Jews are common, and unfavorable views toward both groups have increased in Europe in recent

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2008/09/17/chapter-1-views-of-religious-groups/

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 09:57

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 16/12/2025 09:53

Have yet to see an anti taliban March or anti Sudan march or anti North Korea march 🤷🏻‍♀️

They may well exist, I certainly remember there being some marches around the Taliban / Afghanistan where I live, the huge and obvious difference being of course is that none of those countries are historical allies of Britain / the West. I think many Brits see Israel as "like us" - Western, wealthy etc.

You say yourself you want to see where you can make a difference and I think the same principle applies here. UK govt has v little influence in Sudan or NK - but could have with their ally Israel.

The biggest march I've ever been on was against the British government of course, the stop the war march.

I'm sure you are intelligent enough to realise this of course but for some reason you're overlooking it, probably your fear and anger overwhelming your objectivity which would be understandable I suppose.

If you are interested in taking action yourself, how about writing to your MP to demand a clampdown on anti-Semitism?

How about reaching out to Jewish people you know and offering support?

How about, every time someone mentions an international conflict, like that in Gaza, you restate the abhorrence you have for killing wholly unconnected fellow citizens?

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 09:58

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jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 09:59

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 09:55

Hamas very effectively pulled the wool over people's eyes by dressing up 7/10 as a struggle against oppression. This is much easier for the Western securlar/liberal mind to understand than their actual motives.

I also hate to say this because it may sound flippant but the other reason is because supporting “Palestine “ has always been something that the young university students have championed, it’s now the in thing once more , many of them have not given it more thought than another “trendy” cause.

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:00

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Are you real?

Reported.

Vivi0 · 16/12/2025 10:00

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 09:27

Nobody’s empathising with the terrorists. People are trying to make sense of an atrocity, trying to imagine what could possibly have come over them. It’s natural and human to wonder why, after seeing a needless act of evil. That is very different from empathising with them.

trying to imagine what could possibly have come over them

What could possibly have come over them?

You speak as though this were an isolated incident, the likes of which we have never seen before.

But we have seen this before.

Islamic terrorists, associated with terrorist organisations, massacring people has become quite a regular part of life for people living in Western countries.

We have a pretty good understanding of the ideology behind such atrocities.

So what is it you are trying to make sense of, exactly?

Unless, of course, you are trying to imply that “what came over them” was the “genocide”.

You see, many people would find that a very understandable reason for their actions.

It has already been referred to as a “retaliation”.

Just like the killing of children and raping women on 7/10 has been referred to as resistance.

These men appear to have links to ISIS going back to 2019 though, perhaps that is just a coincidence?

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 10:00

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 09:54

I would also question why it is that pointing this out is controversial and racist but the level of violence and antisemitism towards the Jewish faith is apparently not.

Is pointing it out controversial and racist? Only among people who mix up radical fundamentalist Islamic terrorism with regular Islam, surely?

I thought 9/11 taught the world what radical Islam is and that it’s universally condemned.

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 10:01

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:00

Are you real?

Reported.

She's being sarcastic!

sabababa · 16/12/2025 10:01

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 09:50

I can help here.

They hate Jews.

Yes. It's just so crystal clear when you know Jewish history. Histroy really does repeat itself.

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 10:01

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:00

Are you real?

Reported.

Oh I am real - this is just my sarcastic translation of the disgusting post I quoted

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:02

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 10:01

She's being sarcastic!

Thanks. Am going to step away for a bit 😊

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:02

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 10:01

Oh I am real - this is just my sarcastic translation of the disgusting post I quoted

Apologies

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 10:03

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:00

Are you real?

Reported.

I was naively hoping and wishing this was a sarcastic, ironic comment.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 10:03

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 10:01

She's being sarcastic!

It's actually quite sad that what should be so screamingly obviously sarcasm is actually a viewpoint that some people genuinely hold and is therefore believable...

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 10:03

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 10:02

Apologies

all good. I was very angry when I posted, I should probably step away too tbh.

Twiglets1 · 16/12/2025 10:03

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sorry to have to say this but I think you should make it clear you are being sarcastic or someone will report you. I know you are being sarcastic but not everyone will.
Edited to say - too late!

Heyhelga · 16/12/2025 10:03

Anyone who shows no remorse or tries to downplay or justify such attrocities is utterly broken inside.

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 10:04

sabababa · 16/12/2025 10:03

It's actually quite sad that what should be so screamingly obviously sarcasm is actually a viewpoint that some people genuinely hold and is therefore believable...

Indeed... Ella was in fact just paraphrasing! 🫣

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 10:04

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 10:00

Is pointing it out controversial and racist? Only among people who mix up radical fundamentalist Islamic terrorism with regular Islam, surely?

I thought 9/11 taught the world what radical Islam is and that it’s universally condemned.

Yes it’s been shot down and minimised on this very thread.

HappyFace2025 · 16/12/2025 10:04

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I don't agree with your comment unless you are being ironic?

Antisemitism was already rising before 7 October. It is now out of control. The first request for a pro Palestinian march came during the October 7 massacre. It snowballed immediately mainly due to the spread of disinformation on the internet and not helped by MSM either e.g BBC consistently failing to call Hamas the terrorists that they are.

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