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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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TheMrsCampbellBlack · 16/12/2025 04:14

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 03:13

Unbelievable people don’t get this.

IMO the very reason for Oct 7th as well. Hamas and their organ grinders knew exactly what the outcome of Oct 7th would be. They wanted a war in Gaza and actively planned to deliberately use Palestinians as human sacrifices.

Not because they had any hope of winning a war militarily but because the false propaganga generated from it would do more to destroy the only majority Jewish State on the world stage and harm the Jewish population globally, than if they had a hundred military matched armies on their side. They banked on the ancient, irrational, evil hatred and scapegoating of the Jewish people to do most of the dirty work for them and inconceivably (to me anyway), they were right.

It’s like a really slowed down scene from a 90s movie about an alien invasion (can’t remember it’s name) where a group of liberal be kind people go up to the roof of a skycraper to cheer and welcome what they expect to be friendly aliens who then zap them.

Dumb as fuck.

Best post on the subject so far, thank you.

kkloo · 16/12/2025 04:16

sabababa · 16/12/2025 02:35

Because the latest excuse is Gaza. It's a nice rallying point to unite the Muslim ummah and requires no self reflection on, say, the lack of response of the big Muslim nations of Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia to the Rohingya crisis, the complicity of the Pakistani government with the Taliban and their expulsion of Afghan refugees, the murderous actions of the Iranian government in Syria killing Sunni Muslims, the lack of support from Egypt to Sudanese refugees, and so and so forth.

And then of course we have the extreme left making common cause with Islamists over Gaza too and feeling very confortable to express their latent antisemitism.

It's being going on for a while but Gaza has been the catalyst to allow it to come to the surface.

However, throughout history, there has always been a nice excuse ready to why Jews need to be persecuted, murdered and oppressed. There were many found before there was the excuse of "it's only antizionism". Jews killed Christ, Jews use the blood of Christian children in their matzot, Jews betrayed and sold out the country etc etc. Gaza is just the current excuse.

This is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 04:40

kkloo · 16/12/2025 04:16

This is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

2000 years of Jewish persecution is a conspiracy theory? Wow.

But then again you still haven't provided even one example of Palestinian Arabs helping Jews after WW2 so i suppose that reality is just an inconvenience for your narrative.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:03

TheMrsCampbellBlack · 16/12/2025 04:14

Best post on the subject so far, thank you.

I agree. Brilliant post, @SpicyNutmeg.

CypressGrove · 16/12/2025 05:10

nomas · 15/12/2025 13:33

You really think hardened terrorists would go around driving in their car with ISIS flags billowing in the breeze?

Given Albanese has said they acted alone and no evidence of link to ISIS, I think they are two anti-Semitic nut jobs would be my guess, unless further info comes to light.

Well they definitely put an ISIS flag on their car when they parked it.. There is clear footage (shown on Australian TV) of the flag on the car visible as they murdered an older couple who tried to disarm them after they got out the car, before they went to the bridge to continue killing people. And it has now come out they spent a month in the Philippines right before they did this - notorious for ISIS training camps.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:10

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:24

WTF?
If a large group of families were celebrating Eid on a beach and were gunned down in cold blood, would you say “ I have no problem naming Islamophobia. I also have no problem saying the Iranian government commit atrocities”?
Like, WTF has the senseless murder of a 10 year old girl in Australia got to do with the Israeli/ Palestinian war??
YOU are part of the problem. Ffs

I'm confused...I thought it was taken as read that the current war in Israel has "inspired" a wave of anti-Semitism worldwide. The two things are closely linked, are they not? I find it entirely possible to believe that the Bondi Beach shooting might never have happened if the world hadn't been polarised by the war. But perhaps I am wrong.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 05:19

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:10

I'm confused...I thought it was taken as read that the current war in Israel has "inspired" a wave of anti-Semitism worldwide. The two things are closely linked, are they not? I find it entirely possible to believe that the Bondi Beach shooting might never have happened if the world hadn't been polarised by the war. But perhaps I am wrong.

Just the latest excuse. Jews and Jewish insitutions have been targeted way before the war in Gaza. It's not new

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:19

inamarina · 15/12/2025 11:41

Why did you feel like mentioning Israel on a thread about Jewish people on a beach in Australia?

I thought it was because the war in Israel has emboldened all the nutters, hence the uptick in hate towards Jews since it started. I doubt she'd have mentioned Israel if October 7th and everything after that had never happened.

Holluschickie · 16/12/2025 05:23

CypressGrove · 16/12/2025 05:10

Well they definitely put an ISIS flag on their car when they parked it.. There is clear footage (shown on Australian TV) of the flag on the car visible as they murdered an older couple who tried to disarm them after they got out the car, before they went to the bridge to continue killing people. And it has now come out they spent a month in the Philippines right before they did this - notorious for ISIS training camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/16/bondi-beach-terror-attack-shooters-alleged-father-son-isis-philippines-training-ntwnfb

As you say, they are not two nut jobs acting randomly.

Bondi terror attack: alleged gunmen travelled to the Philippines before ‘Isis-inspired’ shooting

Police investigating claims Sajid and Naveed Akram received ‘training’ overseas before Sunday’s attack

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/16/bondi-beach-terror-attack-shooters-alleged-father-son-isis-philippines-training-ntwnfb

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:37

sabababa · 16/12/2025 05:19

Just the latest excuse. Jews and Jewish insitutions have been targeted way before the war in Gaza. It's not new

Yes, well of course I know that. I have heard of WW2! I'm also aware that anti-Semitism goes back at least 2,500 years. I'm saying that when Hamas committed its atrocities on Oct 7, it emboldened a lot of people who hate Jewish people to express their hate. Like the rise in overt racism after Trump was first elected. And the rise in racism specifically against Chinese people after Covid, whether it was accurate that the outbreak came from Wuhan or not. I thought that that was the relevance of Israel on this thread - that Hamas and the subsequent war has unleashed a visible wave of hate towards Jews. I didn't think that that was a controversial view.

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NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:54

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

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I found a discussion about this verse online which points out that it's talking about Muslims who don't believe but still take part in the life of worship. As your words above say, "those who disbelieve among the People of the Book." It's not referring to people of other religions or no religion.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 05:59

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As to your first point, UK conflict over immigration probably did embolden racist nutters, yes.

As for the small boats, I actually have no problem with unofficial refugees, because those people are desperate and I would do the same if I were them. People who have such a problem with it are not thinking about how horrific their lives are back home. And the irony is that many of the people complaining would be doing exactly the same thing if they were in their shoes. Immigration is never something I've got in a froth about.

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Milothebunny · 16/12/2025 06:08

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:08

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

All have the same thing in common.....men! Violent men using their hatred for certain groups in order to justify their abuse towards said group.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

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NewNameforThisPost2025 · 16/12/2025 06:11

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:06

Are people blaming ordinary Germans for this?
It would seem not.

I feel as if I'm missing something. Perhaps I'm just really thick. Genuinely, I want to understand. When we observe that the Palestine-Israel war has whipped up nutters into doing something like the Bondi shooting, how is that blaming ordinary Jewish people? I can't imagine any reasonable person blaming Jewish people for the actions of an Islamic extremist, nor can I imagine any coherent argument for doing so. That's why I'm a bit confused. Are people really blaming Jewish people for Bondi??

Milothebunny · 16/12/2025 06:15

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:18

Absolutely not they do not. Abusing women is the norm in the UK from men.

Ahh are those with palestinian flags burning hotels? Can you link me to that report. I have not seen it.

Such hatred!! It absolutely isn't "normal" for men in the UK to abuse women.

Why are you turning this thread into hatred of British patriots? This is about the poor innocent people who were murdered in an antisemitic attack by terrorists!!

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Of course racists don't need reasons to be racist, but certain social conditions make them less inhibited about expressing it. I thought that was clear by my use of the phrase "emboldened nutters". I didn't say it created them. That's the opposie of what I meant.

I'm also not understanding how my second para about feeling lots of empathy for the people in small boats contributed to the erroneous impression that I think racists need a reason instead of just being innately racist and horrible people. But perhaps you weren't referring to that part of my message.

And that's a pretty insulting interpretation of my post, by the way. I was very clear by saying "emboldened." It means that certain events encourage racist nutters feel more free to express what was already in them. (Or could be other things, like the election of certain right-wing leaders.)

HerNeighbourTotoro · 16/12/2025 06:23

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire. Every Jew online gets called a Zionist. Even if they categorically state otherwise. Useful bloody idiots.

Look she comment section of ANY Jew on TikTok. It’s appalling.

Sikhs stand with Jews

You could argue that IDF has blood on their hands, not peaceful protesters supporting Palestine. You writing hateful comments is not really going to support the Jewish community, it's doing the opposite.
All the Free Palestine peopel I know have deep empathy and dont excuse violence towards Jewish people. Shame the same cant be said for the other side.

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Partially clear. Yes, racists are whipped up - emboldened - by other racists, of course. Certain social conditions make them all feel brave enough to emerge from the shadows. When Trump was first elected, the awful things he routinely said encouraged racists to say aloud the things they already thought privately.

When you say "Events are interpreted," what do you mean? Who's doing the interpreting here? I'm not understanding that part. Do you mean that racists will interpret events in a racist way if they possibly can? If so, I agree.

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EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 06:39

HerNeighbourTotoro · 16/12/2025 06:23

You could argue that IDF has blood on their hands, not peaceful protesters supporting Palestine. You writing hateful comments is not really going to support the Jewish community, it's doing the opposite.
All the Free Palestine peopel I know have deep empathy and dont excuse violence towards Jewish people. Shame the same cant be said for the other side.

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All the Free Palestine peopel I know have deep empathy and dont excuse violence towards Jewish people. Shame the same cant be said for the other side
ie all the pro Israel people don’t have deep empathy, and excuse violence towards Palestinian people?

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/unaustralian-palestine-activist-removed-from-bondi-beach-vigil-after-causing-disruption/video/36f3ec233254b79cbdc2cecca0c1775c#
This pro-Palestinian activist chose to come to the vigil at Bondi beach one day after the attack in her keffiyeh. Your friends may be deeply empathic but that’s certainly not the experience of many Jews.

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