The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

[TheTamerShrew]

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

You don’t think their ideology (allegiance to ISIS) has anything to do with it?

They were father and son. It is extremely rare a father and son plan and execute a very public mass murder together knowing they were both extremely likely to be killed in the act, i.e martyred.

Please explain what you meant then.

If I miscontrued it, I am happy to apologise.

Can you explain where you think I was wrong?

My issue is that many many posters are using this horrific attack to target and blame muslims.

They are doing that. You just need to read a few pages of the threads.

This perpetuates the hate.

So let's stop it now.

I think this was horrific. My full sympathy lies with the Jewish community and the Australian community. I will keep my trap shut as long as noone blames any other religion or race.

Yes their ideology had something to do with it- but not their religion. From my observation that is the same as all other extremist ideology. Essentially the justification of extreme violence by the villianisation of a group of people that are different from you in some way. I think that is why Jewish people were targeted a lot in Eastern Europe- because they had a different culture and customs and so it was easy to blame stuff on them when things got hard.

I see ISIS ideology, as the same as the extremist Zionist ideology that the Israeli settlers demonstrated in the Louis Theroux documentary. It has nothing to do with gods/religions/cultures.. they repeatedly use past events to justify new wars for their own selfish aims. It happens in every culture- the christians have the KKK for example.

Thankyou 2921x

That is where im coming from.

There are arseholes everywhere. Whenever you blame a whole movement, religion or group you do not consider everyone or speak for the voiceless. And the voiceless are everywhere.

Because the latest excuse is Gaza. It's a nice rallying point to unite the Muslim ummah and requires no self reflection on, say, the lack of response of the big Muslim nations of Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia to the Rohingya crisis, the complicity of the Pakistani government with the Taliban and their expulsion of Afghan refugees, the murderous actions of the Iranian government in Syria killing Sunni Muslims, the lack of support from Egypt to Sudanese refugees, and so and so forth.

And then of course we have the extreme left making common cause with Islamists over Gaza too and feeling very confortable to express their latent antisemitism.

It's being going on for a while but Gaza has been the catalyst to allow it to come to the surface.

However, throughout history, there has always been a nice excuse ready to why Jews need to be persecuted, murdered and oppressed. There were many found before there was the excuse of "it's only antizionism". Jews killed Christ, Jews use the blood of Christian children in their matzot, Jews betrayed and sold out the country etc etc. Gaza is just the current excuse.

Can I ask if there is a core reason that you think that Jewish people receive more persecution?

Seriously?

I think there are quite a few differences between extremist Jewish settler ideology and ISIS ideology. I didn’t think Jewish settlers wanted to create a global Jewish controlled world, nor do they behead non believers or commit global terrorist attacks.

Funnily enough here’s ISIS’s ideology on Jewish people. Interesting about the global jihad.

The Islamic State (ISIS) views Jews as enemies of God, deeply tied to Zionism and Western corruption, and seeks their elimination, often framing the conflict through extremist interpretations of Islamic texts, viewing Jews as historical antagonists to Islam and as occupiers of Muslim lands, especially Palestine, leading to calls for global jihad against them and Israel, which they aim to destroy to establish a caliphate.
Core Ideological Beliefs:

• Religious Enmity: ISIS doctrine portrays Jews as cursed by God, referencing Koranic narratives of betrayal by Jewish tribes in early Islamic history, framing them as perpetual enemies.
• Zionism & Israel: ISIS sees Zionism as a Jewish conspiracy to control the world and views Israel as an illegitimate entity and a primary threat to Islam that must be destroyed to pave the way for a global caliphate.
• Conspiracy Theories: They widely promote conspiracy theories, often blaming Jews for global conflicts and moral decay, echoing antisemitic tropes.
• Global Jihad: ISIS calls for jihad against Jews everywhere, not just in the Middle East, believing it a religious duty to fight them until their eradication.

^^ Key Manifestations:

• Propaganda: ISIS media (like Dabiq magazine) consistently features antisemitic rhetoric, dehumanizing Jews and calling for violence.
• Justification for Violence: They use distorted Islamic scripture and historical grievances (like the Holocaust, which they often minimize or deny, blaming Jews) to justify attacks on Jewish people and institutions.

I have to say it seems shockingly evident that the Key Manifestations mentioned are now being displayed by Western antisemites who have become emboldened to show it publicly since Oct 7th gave them immunity under the guise of ‘Free Palestine’.

For the last 2000 years?

I don't know. Why do you think it is? Your guess is as good as mine.

I will admit that this question puts my heckles up as there is an antisemitic trope that somehow Jews are to blame for their only persecution and I very much hope that is not where you are going.

My obsevation is on the obsession with violence and subjugation of the "enemy" as the only way to deal with conflict. For some people this result will be a message from their god, for others its their right of their anscestors, or even extra-terrestial lifeforms.

You can take any extremist political manifesto and all the brain twisting and turning- but it always ends up with violence and intimidation as the only option.

The murderers might have convinced themselves they were doing the right thing by the way of Allah, but actually they just wanted to do violence and found an ideology that "permitted" them to do that.

I think anyone that seriously thinks the west is on the side of islam over Judaism is a fucking nut job tbh.

Not at all. I can understand at this time you will be feeling very very anxious.

I only asked as you spoke about Gaza as the most recent reason- and not being Jewish I wondered if it is ever discussed about when the persecution started?

Unbelievable people don’t get this.

IMO the very reason for Oct 7th as well. Hamas and their organ grinders knew exactly what the outcome of Oct 7th would be. They wanted a war in Gaza and actively planned to deliberately use Palestinians as human sacrifices.

Not because they had any hope of winning a war militarily but because the false propaganga generated from it would do more to destroy the only majority Jewish State on the world stage and harm the Jewish population globally, than if they had a hundred military matched armies on their side. They banked on the ancient, irrational, evil hatred and scapegoating of the Jewish people to do most of the dirty work for them and inconceivably (to me anyway), they were right.

It’s like a really slowed down scene from a 90s movie about an alien invasion (can’t remember it’s name) where a group of liberal be kind people go up to the roof of a skycraper to cheer and welcome what they expect to be friendly aliens who then zap them.

Dumb as fuck.

I’m proud to live in the uk, so basically you’re blaming just white men! what are you hoping to achieve? More division and hatred!
sorry but it’s not ok to say that, it’s untrue.

Why would the West be on the side of Islam over Judaism?

Is Islam compatible with Western democracy?

Are majority Muslim countries democratic?

Is Israel a democracy?

This is what I mean iny previous posts.

Like seriously dude, do you want to write an essay about why you are condoning hate?

I don't. Full stop. But you seem to have a lot of shit simmering.

And noone who is sat at home, or was, is to blame for that.

So fed up of all the obfuscation and deflection.

If anyone talks about Islamist terrorism, " Ooh you are spreading hate/ racist". No one's falling for that anymore. Much as you may try.

When it started? Well, in a very timely manner, you could start with the story of Hannukah itself. That was 2 BCE

If you're really interested, you could read Simon Schama's "The History of the Jews" and make up your own mind about it.

But FYI the common timeline used is like 2000 years of persecution since Jews were forced to live as a minority in the diaspora - there's always been something somewhere, it's exactly why Jews have learnt to look out for each other everywhere. And why most Jews are zionist in the literal sense of the word
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They are individuals not orchestrated hate groups. They have been brain washed by the very people that tell you to hate them.

Look up.

Noone wants you dead, they want you scared and participating in their regime.

Rubbish. Absolute ignorance of ISIS and its global spread. I am in India right now, near the Taj Mumbai where over 200 people were massacred in 2008- including some of my friends burnt to death- because ISIS doesn't want anyone dead. 🙄

Don't bloody tell me to look up.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

I am not so sure. Women are jihadists too, also including the mothers, sisters, wives who support and encourage their Jihadist sons, brothers, husbands. I don’t think any of the women below are/were anything other than Muslims?

Umm Rayan al-Tunisi
Samira Jassim
Shamima Begum
Amira Abase
Kaduna Sultana
Aafia Siddiqui
Jihadi Jane: Colleen LaRose
Umm Hussain al-Britani
Khava Barayeva
Wafa Idris
Hanadi Jaradat
Reem Al-Reyashi
Muriel Degauque
Kalaivani Rajaratnam aka Dhanu

Jewish people do not kill in the ‘name’ of their G*d. 🕎

The last on your list was an LTTE Tamil terrorist who murdered the former PM of India. Not ISIS.

Thank you for your correction. 💐 The point still stands - murder in the name of a religion is not just males - and more, Jewish people do not kill in the name of their G*d. 🕎

I don't think you can make such a blanket statement about Jews. There are Jewish terrorists. Of course, it's a lot more limited and focused on a specific issue than Islamic terrorism and not exported beyond that area but there have most certainly have sadly been Jewish terrorist attacks. Jews are not immune to extremist violence, just like all other humans.