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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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AnteatersAreCute · 16/12/2025 00:19

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:24

WTF?
If a large group of families were celebrating Eid on a beach and were gunned down in cold blood, would you say “ I have no problem naming Islamophobia. I also have no problem saying the Iranian government commit atrocities”?
Like, WTF has the senseless murder of a 10 year old girl in Australia got to do with the Israeli/ Palestinian war??
YOU are part of the problem. Ffs

This

Humdingerydoo · 16/12/2025 00:19

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 23:38

Can you explain why innocent Palestinians had to die because of the actions of Hamas?

Nice avoidance of the question you were asked. Very smooth. I bet no one noticed your refusal to answer the question about why innocent Jewish people had to die because of Gaza. I think you got away with it. Phew!

Interesting username by the way. Very similar to a very well-known Aramaic phrase. Did you know that many Jews to this day have Aramaic wedding certificates? It really shows an incredibly strong link between Jewish people and the part of the world where Aramaic used to be commonly spoken, don't you think? Fascinating stuff, eh?

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:19

I feel like screaming.

This attack was appalling.

Save your racist shit for at least a few days. Blame the perpetrators, not their religion. Sympathise with the victims, not their religion.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:24

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 00:12

I debated it as it is a legitimate point, but (even though polls have consistently shown support for Hamas from the civilian population in Gaza) it always gets rebutted by the fact that there hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006 so it's not the current Gazans fault as they haven't had the opportunity to vote for anybody else.

True but the civilians of North Korea, don’t have much choice either and suffer daily, attempts at escape ending in execution, there is no way to remove a dictator from power without a war that costs life, only the people of those countries have the power to elicit change and although we may feel sympathy for them and others in that position, any country who attempts interference is normally castigated by others for not mindfully keeping our beaks out.

AbbaCadaBra · 16/12/2025 00:32

Humdingerydoo · 16/12/2025 00:19

Nice avoidance of the question you were asked. Very smooth. I bet no one noticed your refusal to answer the question about why innocent Jewish people had to die because of Gaza. I think you got away with it. Phew!

Interesting username by the way. Very similar to a very well-known Aramaic phrase. Did you know that many Jews to this day have Aramaic wedding certificates? It really shows an incredibly strong link between Jewish people and the part of the world where Aramaic used to be commonly spoken, don't you think? Fascinating stuff, eh?

Well, my answer is that I don’t know why Jewish people have to be murdered. It doesn’t make any sense to me. I find it horrific.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:32

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:24

True but the civilians of North Korea, don’t have much choice either and suffer daily, attempts at escape ending in execution, there is no way to remove a dictator from power without a war that costs life, only the people of those countries have the power to elicit change and although we may feel sympathy for them and others in that position, any country who attempts interference is normally castigated by others for not mindfully keeping our beaks out.

Most normal people have sympathy for the people of North Korea.

It's easy to say stand up if you don't have the very obvious gun in your face or that of your families.

This attack was horrific. I absolutely completely stand with the Jewish community. I stand with Muslims who are innocently taking the flak for it too.

I can do both as I'm not a linear idiot.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:33

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:32

Most normal people have sympathy for the people of North Korea.

It's easy to say stand up if you don't have the very obvious gun in your face or that of your families.

This attack was horrific. I absolutely completely stand with the Jewish community. I stand with Muslims who are innocently taking the flak for it too.

I can do both as I'm not a linear idiot.

And your point is different from mine because?

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:37

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:33

And your point is different from mine because?

This is exactly what I said to someone else earlier. Apologies if you meant the same as I did.

It is not the fault of the Jewish people. It is not the fault of the Muslim people. It is the fault of extremists and shit stirring idiots. These people are not representative of the vast majority of communities.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 00:41

AbbaCadaBra · 16/12/2025 00:32

Well, my answer is that I don’t know why Jewish people have to be murdered. It doesn’t make any sense to me. I find it horrific.

It makes no sense to me either. However, @whymadam previously stated..."who cannot fathom what the tragic deaths of innocent Jewish people have to do with the ghastly situation in Palestine, go do some homework"... so it clearly makes sense to them, this is what I'm asking for clarification on as they seem to think it is obvious.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:48

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:37

This is exactly what I said to someone else earlier. Apologies if you meant the same as I did.

It is not the fault of the Jewish people. It is not the fault of the Muslim people. It is the fault of extremists and shit stirring idiots. These people are not representative of the vast majority of communities.

Apologies for being snippy it’s been a very tiring thread! ❤️

sabababa · 16/12/2025 00:48

kkloo · 15/12/2025 20:17

Ordinary Palestinians attempted to help Jews after WW2 too.

The hostages were being held by Hamas, how were ordinary Gazans supposed to help get them to safety?

Please give me one example of a Palestinian Arab helping jews after WW2.
One example. Although im sure there were isolated acts of kindness here and there i bet you cant find one historically documented case since it would bave been so unusual.
Or one statement from the Arab palestinian leadership supporting Jewish refugees.

Yes, agree this is a post about Australia which has nothing to do with the way the Palestinian Arabs refused entry to desperate jewish refugees but I cant let this total bs misinformation stand without correcting it.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 00:56

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:51

Of course I was aware of those things, especially being Jewish. But what I’m asking is if people think Netanyahus actions SINCE then have made the Jewish community feel any safer. I personally do not feel safer and fear attacks against us may become more prevalent. Is that ok with you?

No but youre blaming the wrong person. I dont support Netanyahu at all and I think he's weakened israel but the safety of Jews in Australia or the UK due to their home grown radicalised Muslims is not his responsibility. He is responsible for Israelis, jewish and non jewish

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:58

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 00:41

It makes no sense to me either. However, @whymadam previously stated..."who cannot fathom what the tragic deaths of innocent Jewish people have to do with the ghastly situation in Palestine, go do some homework"... so it clearly makes sense to them, this is what I'm asking for clarification on as they seem to think it is obvious.

Ok, I'll bite.

Because in the same way in the west you are being trained to blame others for your ills. It is your governments, not the civilians. But you see reform? You see the anti-Semitic and anti islamic content? You see the lies they post again and again and again? It is people standing up to hatred with hatred. Which is wrong. But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians. I also do not condone the people in the UK saying to sink the boats of asylum seekers.
I think they're both abhorant.
I am angry at both.

And I'm coming to believe, that though I understand both these viewpoints, the people advocating for them are the people that I blame. I feel sorry for everyone manipulated by the media and the government. I feel, honestly, at a bit of a loss. I feel people are being weapon used by a media intent on clicks, and government and big corp intent on revenue.
Noone in power really gives a shit about us.

So I think it's really really stupid to sit here and armchair analyse motivation and hatred and fault, when really it's just mainly very very succeptible people who are believing the shit most of us are fed daily, but luckily have the faculties to ignore and filter out.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:33

And I'd be really interested Mumsnet in seeing how you filter out troll content.

Any time i post something like this there's radio silence for about 45 minutes, even when the threads been previously very active. Then there's a flurry of different topics that are not entirely on topic, noone mentioning my post even when it's been previously quoted. Then. On page 40, you have someone posting 7-8 posts saying inflammatory crap before the thread is full.

And it all just seems very inflammatory. I'm willing to bet that most mumsnetters are compassionate. But the algorithms show first and last posts when you Google. and unfortunately for you, most of the last posts aren't typical of the 50:50 threads.

Unless you also just want the clicks of course.

@mumsnet

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:40

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 00:58

Ok, I'll bite.

Because in the same way in the west you are being trained to blame others for your ills. It is your governments, not the civilians. But you see reform? You see the anti-Semitic and anti islamic content? You see the lies they post again and again and again? It is people standing up to hatred with hatred. Which is wrong. But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians. I also do not condone the people in the UK saying to sink the boats of asylum seekers.
I think they're both abhorant.
I am angry at both.

And I'm coming to believe, that though I understand both these viewpoints, the people advocating for them are the people that I blame. I feel sorry for everyone manipulated by the media and the government. I feel, honestly, at a bit of a loss. I feel people are being weapon used by a media intent on clicks, and government and big corp intent on revenue.
Noone in power really gives a shit about us.

So I think it's really really stupid to sit here and armchair analyse motivation and hatred and fault, when really it's just mainly very very succeptible people who are believing the shit most of us are fed daily, but luckily have the faculties to ignore and filter out.

Because in the same way in the west you are being trained to blame others for your ills. It is your governments, not the civilians. But you see reform? You see the anti-Semitic and anti islamic content? You see the lies they post again and again and again? It is people standing up to hatred with hatred. Which is wrong. But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians.

You seem to be missing that the scum who committed this atrocity were Pakistanis who had chosen to live in Australia.

What have the Jewish people done to Pakistanis that the Australian government need to take the blame for?

What have the Jewish people done to Pakistanis that they didn’t know what else to do other than target and shoot a load of Jewish civilians?

The mental gymnastics to try to defend an attack against Jewish people is disgusting.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:43

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:40

Because in the same way in the west you are being trained to blame others for your ills. It is your governments, not the civilians. But you see reform? You see the anti-Semitic and anti islamic content? You see the lies they post again and again and again? It is people standing up to hatred with hatred. Which is wrong. But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians.

You seem to be missing that the scum who committed this atrocity were Pakistanis who had chosen to live in Australia.

What have the Jewish people done to Pakistanis that the Australian government need to take the blame for?

What have the Jewish people done to Pakistanis that they didn’t know what else to do other than target and shoot a load of Jewish civilians?

The mental gymnastics to try to defend an attack against Jewish people is disgusting.

None of this is what I said at all

Mumsnet, this is what I mean.

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:44

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:43

None of this is what I said at all

Mumsnet, this is what I mean.

Explain what you meant by this then

But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:46

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:44

Explain what you meant by this then

But there comes a point where you don't know what else to do.
I absolutely do not condone shooting a load of innocent civilians.

What, with the proviso, or have you spent an hour figuring out which part of my post you can attack? And pulling one part of it out without context?

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:52

Someone shitting on me cos I absolutely don't condone shooting random people

Check yourself

2021x · 16/12/2025 01:55

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire. Every Jew online gets called a Zionist. Even if they categorically state otherwise. Useful bloody idiots.

Look she comment section of ANY Jew on TikTok. It’s appalling.

Sikhs stand with Jews

See its quotes like this that I think that stir the pot rather than focusing on what is true.

It is true that the attacks in Bondi yesterday were anti-semetic. The group was targeted because they were undeniably jewish and I can understand Jewish people being very concerned about their safety. Especially as they are being currently targeted for something that they have absolutely no control over.

The two men who commited the murders in Bondi- were murderers first and everything else second. There is no modern religion or reason in a civil society that would ever validate the shooting of children.

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:57

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:46

What, with the proviso, or have you spent an hour figuring out which part of my post you can attack? And pulling one part of it out without context?

No clue what you’re on about. I read your post just before I posted my response to it. Only just come on MN tonight.

What context have I missed? You seem to be saying that the Australian government drove Pakistanis to kill Jews because they were so whipped up with hate they didn’t ‘know what else to do’.

If I am mistaken, please explain?

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:58

2021x · 16/12/2025 01:55

See its quotes like this that I think that stir the pot rather than focusing on what is true.

It is true that the attacks in Bondi yesterday were anti-semetic. The group was targeted because they were undeniably jewish and I can understand Jewish people being very concerned about their safety. Especially as they are being currently targeted for something that they have absolutely no control over.

The two men who commited the murders in Bondi- were murderers first and everything else second. There is no modern religion or reason in a civil society that would ever validate the shooting of children.

Edited

And another Muslim stopped one of them.

anti-Semitism is bloody awful.
So is anti islamism.

Don't substitute one for another.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:59

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:57

No clue what you’re on about. I read your post just before I posted my response to it. Only just come on MN tonight.

What context have I missed? You seem to be saying that the Australian government drove Pakistanis to kill Jews because they were so whipped up with hate they didn’t ‘know what else to do’.

If I am mistaken, please explain?

No. You've imagined that.

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 02:01

SpicyNutmeg · 16/12/2025 01:57

No clue what you’re on about. I read your post just before I posted my response to it. Only just come on MN tonight.

What context have I missed? You seem to be saying that the Australian government drove Pakistanis to kill Jews because they were so whipped up with hate they didn’t ‘know what else to do’.

If I am mistaken, please explain?

You posted 20 minutes ago?

2021x · 16/12/2025 02:02

Starconundrum · 16/12/2025 01:58

And another Muslim stopped one of them.

anti-Semitism is bloody awful.
So is anti islamism.

Don't substitute one for another.

Can you explain in my post where I spoke about anything to do with Islam.

I don't see the shooters or the Ahmed Al Ahmed as Muslim. I see the shooters as murderes and Mr. Al Ahmed as a hero ( and deserving of the AUD2mil that has been raised for him)/

The shooters were using some bullshit rhetoric that they were presenting as Islamic to justify the shooting of unarmed civilians. My post was pointing out this is incorrect.

In the same way, Mr Al Ahmed didn't stop them because he was Muslim. He stopped them because he was a very brave man.

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