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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 22:04

To all the posters apologising or excusing the attackers in Bondi and Manchester, can I ask, what advice do you have for the Jewish people who live and work alongside you, as they don't feel safe.

Perhaps they should vote out the Israeli government - oh hang on, they can't.

If they can't rely on their fellow country men and women to advocate for them and keep them safe - what do you suggest they do?

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 22:09

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 22:04

To all the posters apologising or excusing the attackers in Bondi and Manchester, can I ask, what advice do you have for the Jewish people who live and work alongside you, as they don't feel safe.

Perhaps they should vote out the Israeli government - oh hang on, they can't.

If they can't rely on their fellow country men and women to advocate for them and keep them safe - what do you suggest they do?

The irony is that the Anti-Semitism rise in Western countries will lead to Jews emigrating to Israel, if other countries aren't safe.

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whymadam · 15/12/2025 22:11

snoopyscosmicanomaly · 15/12/2025 19:22

Have you seen the aerial views of Darfur (visible from Space)? Have a look at those, think who did the damage, and then think how you might feel / what you might do if someone did that to your family. Over, and over, and over until the place was flattened. Maybe don't call it a 'war' either. You need 2 armed sides to fight one of those. The African people of Darfur have no army. Please have a think about it, and learn the differences between Sudanese non-Muslim African civilians and the Arab Janjaweed militias. Also, please note that in NO WAY do I condone violence or Islamophobia by making these comments.

Yes, I get it.

kkloo · 15/12/2025 22:12

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:46

Eh?

In this metaphor the Russians are the Israelis.

Please explain why Russian-heritage people are not being targeted in the same way.

Why were Bosnian Serbs in other countries not targeted in the same way? (Check out your 1990s history).

There is no rational explanation bar hatred of Jewish people.

I meant to say Ukrainians, not Russians.

I don't know a huge amount that part of history, I will look it up but I have brain fog at the moment and won't be able to take it in. I have actually meant to look it up recently because it's something that I remember always hearing about on the news as a small child.

But Genocide was legally recognised and people were prosecuted, there was some sense of justice, also I believe Bosniak refugees integrated better, and integration is hugely important.

PinkTonic · 15/12/2025 22:22

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 20:26

I think that the situation on October 7th was a reaction to Israel’s treatment of Gaza rather than an isolated incident out of the blue.

I mean, somehow Israel forgets all context and justifies its genocidal treatment of Palestinians by pretending that October 7th happened in a vacuum.

Raping women to death and beheading babies and burning people alive in their homes was a reaction to Israel’s treatment of Gaza and should be understood in some sort of context? How sick does someone have to be to think like this and even attempt to justify the level of depravity perpetrated by that vile death cult

mouthpipette · 15/12/2025 22:24

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 22:09

The irony is that the Anti-Semitism rise in Western countries will lead to Jews emigrating to Israel, if other countries aren't safe.

That's not the case.
Israel has a problem in that its middle class, educated, skilled workforce are leaving at a worrying rate. Some have already come to the UK. They are highly skilled. They are being replaced in Israel by people of a very different demographic

The fact that more Israelis come to the UK, than UK citizens go to Israel, suggests life might be better here for a Jewish person, than Israel.

Picoloangel · 15/12/2025 22:30

I agree. No other religious groups/citizens are held to account and vilified over a government’s foreign policy in the same way as Jewish people are.

whymadam · 15/12/2025 22:34

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 19:21

Have you seen before and after aerial photos of Gaza? Have a look at those, think who did the damage, and then think how you might feel / what you might do if someone did that to your family. Over, and over, and over until the place was flattened. Maybe don't call it a 'war' either. You need 2 armed sides to fight one of those. The people of Gaza have no army. Please have a think about it, and learn the differences between Palestine, Gaza and Hamas. Also, please note that in NO WAY do I condone violence or anti-semitism by making these comments

One example right here. And I didn’t need to look far for it. One of a few. Someone making excuses for what happened. And adding the predictable ‘but’…..’please note that in NO WAY do I condone violence blah blah’…..

There are no excuses made here. Don't be stupid.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 22:39

@whymadam,

Now you're back would you explain why innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza please?

Whatacrapdaytodaywashey · 15/12/2025 22:45

Agreed op

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:06

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 20:02

What is happening in Gaza is not genocide and I’m shocked by how little people know about history and the way phrases are thrown about with no regard for the real meaning.
for the context if you counted every person who has died in Gaza ( not including the Israelis obviously) it would not come even remotely close to half of the numbers of Jews who were exterminated during the holocaust!
that was genocide , the women and children are the victims of war , just as many of the women and children are across the globe in wars happening as we speak!

Oh thank goodness you're here. What a fantastic legal analysis.

The ICC haven't yet issued their judgment on whether Israel's actions amount to a genocide under the genocide convention. But let's be absolutely clear, the ICC would never entertain a spurious action. So there is absolutely merit to the claim of genocide.

But I suppose to you it's just a bunch of brown people dead in collateral damage no matter what the ends Court saying.

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:08

mouthpipette · 15/12/2025 22:24

That's not the case.
Israel has a problem in that its middle class, educated, skilled workforce are leaving at a worrying rate. Some have already come to the UK. They are highly skilled. They are being replaced in Israel by people of a very different demographic

The fact that more Israelis come to the UK, than UK citizens go to Israel, suggests life might be better here for a Jewish person, than Israel.

Life is certainly better for Jews in the UK. In Israel, secular Jews are treated like scum.

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 23:16

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:08

Life is certainly better for Jews in the UK. In Israel, secular Jews are treated like scum.

Not sure again why Israel is relevant. I don't want to ignore this though as it is completely false. I don't know why you can make such a sensationalist claim, without any evidence to back it up.

I know many secular Jews in Israel. They feel safer there, and they often message me with worries about my personal safety in the UK.

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jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 23:18

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:28

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

People again and want to excuse and minimise a mass murder terrorist attack, because it happened to Jews.

We didn't see the same justification when it was the London terrorist attack, or the Bataclan attack.

The murder of Jews cannot be justified with 'but Israel'. To do so is racist.

My abject apologies op and @HappyFace2025and all the people of the Jewish faith here and in Australia who are reminded that their suffering is easily brushed aside on a wave of indifference, antisemitism and whataboutery for being dragged into a discussion that I didn’t want to have , didn’t feel appropriate but still did .
I and many others stand with you, share grief with you and hope that somehow people will remember that after ww2 all countries came together and swore.. never forget…never again 💐

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 23:30

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:06

Oh thank goodness you're here. What a fantastic legal analysis.

The ICC haven't yet issued their judgment on whether Israel's actions amount to a genocide under the genocide convention. But let's be absolutely clear, the ICC would never entertain a spurious action. So there is absolutely merit to the claim of genocide.

But I suppose to you it's just a bunch of brown people dead in collateral damage no matter what the ends Court saying.

What colour do you think Israelis are, and why do you think this is important?

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 23:32

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:06

Oh thank goodness you're here. What a fantastic legal analysis.

The ICC haven't yet issued their judgment on whether Israel's actions amount to a genocide under the genocide convention. But let's be absolutely clear, the ICC would never entertain a spurious action. So there is absolutely merit to the claim of genocide.

But I suppose to you it's just a bunch of brown people dead in collateral damage no matter what the ends Court saying.

You are the racist here!
not all Jews are white ,
not all Palestinians are brown ,
not all Muslims are brown,
not all Israelis are Jewish .

people Are not one size fits all, they are various and individual.
the only thing clear from this post and others is that antisemitism is apparently the one racist taboo that is entirely acceptable and even celebrated by certain groups.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 23:35

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:07

@AbbaCadaBra

Interested in your thoughts on the above metaphor.

Where does it fail?

Is the thing “you felt was wrong” genocide? I have to know that before I answer the question. And even if it is you are asking the wrong person. I am not going to vent hatred on anyone but I can see where hate is enacted on both sides, which is my point. I don’t endorse it.

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 23:35

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 23:32

You are the racist here!
not all Jews are white ,
not all Palestinians are brown ,
not all Muslims are brown,
not all Israelis are Jewish .

people Are not one size fits all, they are various and individual.
the only thing clear from this post and others is that antisemitism is apparently the one racist taboo that is entirely acceptable and even celebrated by certain groups.

Your last sentence really sums it up.

Racism against Jews has become acceptable and mainstream. Racism against other groups is (quite rightly) not considered acceptable by the majority. Why is it that society doesn't view racism towards Jews in the same light?

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HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 23:38

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 23:06

Oh thank goodness you're here. What a fantastic legal analysis.

The ICC haven't yet issued their judgment on whether Israel's actions amount to a genocide under the genocide convention. But let's be absolutely clear, the ICC would never entertain a spurious action. So there is absolutely merit to the claim of genocide.

But I suppose to you it's just a bunch of brown people dead in collateral damage no matter what the ends Court saying.

Jewish people come in all colours. Hope that helps.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 23:38

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 22:39

@whymadam,

Now you're back would you explain why innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza please?

Can you explain why innocent Palestinians had to die because of the actions of Hamas?

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 23:44

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 23:35

Your last sentence really sums it up.

Racism against Jews has become acceptable and mainstream. Racism against other groups is (quite rightly) not considered acceptable by the majority. Why is it that society doesn't view racism towards Jews in the same light?

I don’t honestly know @TheTamerShrew, my dh was military and studies war history constantly, I learned it in school and obviously it’s hard to not absorb it from the constant documentaries on tv , the constant harassment, hate and racism towards Jews appears to be a constant issue from biblical times to now , why this is , is a complete mystery, no explanation is offered, I can only think myself that at some point it was decided that Jews were chosen to be the perpetual whipping dogs for society, othering them is acceptable and encouraged by all .
as long as they are meek and cheerfully accept their persecution everyone is happy, if they dare stand up and complain it’s obvious a sin punishable by extreme violence and condemnation.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 23:55

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 23:38

Can you explain why innocent Palestinians had to die because of the actions of Hamas?

Well, mainly because Hamas wouldn't give hostages back for over 2 years, hid the hostages in civilian areas, prioritised building tunnels and taking supplies for themselves rather than bomb shelters and feeding their citizens. As well as this, Hamas operated out of hospitals and schools, nullifying their protected statuses.

You can answer as well if you'd like.

Can you explain why innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza please.

I genuinely don't understand why some Australians enjoying a get together at the beach had to die because of Gaza unless it's because they were Jewish. That's racist and anti-Semitic, isn't it?

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:03

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 23:55

Well, mainly because Hamas wouldn't give hostages back for over 2 years, hid the hostages in civilian areas, prioritised building tunnels and taking supplies for themselves rather than bomb shelters and feeding their citizens. As well as this, Hamas operated out of hospitals and schools, nullifying their protected statuses.

You can answer as well if you'd like.

Can you explain why innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza please.

I genuinely don't understand why some Australians enjoying a get together at the beach had to die because of Gaza unless it's because they were Jewish. That's racist and anti-Semitic, isn't it?

Pardon me @IAmAHomewardBounder, but I would have answered… well because Hamas are their elected government , the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation is unfortunate but it is still the elected government of the state.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 00:12

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 00:03

Pardon me @IAmAHomewardBounder, but I would have answered… well because Hamas are their elected government , the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation is unfortunate but it is still the elected government of the state.

I debated it as it is a legitimate point, but (even though polls have consistently shown support for Hamas from the civilian population in Gaza) it always gets rebutted by the fact that there hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006 so it's not the current Gazans fault as they haven't had the opportunity to vote for anybody else.

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