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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:27

Why aren't people killing people in Bondi or Manchester whose grandparents emigrated from Russia, out of outrage at Russia's murderous actions in Ukraine? (I strongly do not advocate this course of action, obviously).

Where is the visceral hatred that means the sins of one country should be visited upon people with a weak connection to it?

The only way this 'outrage' adds up is if you accept that some awful people just hate other people for being Jewish.

If you are on this thread and, in any way, defending what has happened in Bondi or Manchester, please explain to me why Russian heritage people are not being killed.

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:27

Kindly point out any racism especially antisemitism in the recent posts on this thread.

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:28

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:25

Well, fancy this thread turning out the way it has.. 🤡

Your post has proved itself over and over, OP, quelle surprise.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

People again and want to excuse and minimise a mass murder terrorist attack, because it happened to Jews.

We didn't see the same justification when it was the London terrorist attack, or the Bataclan attack.

The murder of Jews cannot be justified with 'but Israel'. To do so is racist.

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Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:28

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:26

How do you think they (Hamas) got so radicalised ?

In my opinion that’s a result of decades of kids watching their parents, friends, city, school blown to smithereens again and again.

And this is why I think that Israel needs to take the lead here. In many ways it has co-created the monster next door. Not alone of course, I acknowledge that Iranian meddling is also a huge influence on what made Hamas the evil creature it is today. It’s complex and that’s why I reach for the bigger picture - understanding that and coming to terms with it, and eventually moving beyond it is the only route to peace.

You're quite right, everything is Israel's fault, and banging on about this is completely appropriate on this thread.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:30

CatkinToadflax · 15/12/2025 21:11

It’s absolutely horrifying how many posters are popping up with “but Gaza!” in a thread about murdered Australian Jews. What did any of these victims have to do with the current situation in Gaza?

This

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:30

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:28

You're quite right, everything is Israel's fault, and banging on about this is completely appropriate on this thread.

Did you even read what I wrote.

Because it didn’t blame Israel.

It did however challenge Israel to lead the road to peace.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:31

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:27

Kindly point out any racism especially antisemitism in the recent posts on this thread.

See my post above yours

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:32

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:03

Agreed

Trying this out as a metaphor:

If France acted in a way you felt was wrong, would it be rational to kill French-speaking people in Canada?

Or is the only credible motive that you have a visceral loathing of french-speaking people, allowing you to jump at this flimsy pretext to give vent to your irrational hate.

Edited

Or this.

Somehow, because these people are Jewish, some people think there are excuses to be made.

There aren't.

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:33

I would much rather that this thread was used for the purpose it was intended: for people to educate themselves about racism against Jews, and to learn and have personal growth.

Israel is irrelevant in this context. We are talking about the murder of Australian Jews.

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Sewingaddict · 15/12/2025 21:33

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:18

Israel absolutely would have been given some grace had their response been proportionate.

The first UK protest was organised during Oct 7th when people were still being killed and kidnapped and before Israel had a response. Quite the grace

inamarina · 15/12/2025 21:33

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:14

Do you think this is a symmetric conflict ?

Do you think a powerful, developed, well-funded nation state, with sophisticated high tech weaponry, functioning democracy, and a free participant in international trade carries more or less responsibility to solving this perma-crisis peacefully for good ?

Because I believe it does. However Israel continues to belligerently retaliate at devastating scale, instead of seeking proper, lasting settlement.

Israel is the bigger party here, and unpalatable as it may be, must take the initiative for peace.

Was October 7th symmetric? Hordes of armed men attacking teenagers at a music festival and peaceful families in a Kibbutz?

On the other hand, if they’re so weak compared to their powerful, well-funded neighbour (leaving the billions in funding Gaza has received since 2005 aside for a minute), why did they think it would be a good idea to launch an attack and what did they expect would happen next?

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:37

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:27

Why aren't people killing people in Bondi or Manchester whose grandparents emigrated from Russia, out of outrage at Russia's murderous actions in Ukraine? (I strongly do not advocate this course of action, obviously).

Where is the visceral hatred that means the sins of one country should be visited upon people with a weak connection to it?

The only way this 'outrage' adds up is if you accept that some awful people just hate other people for being Jewish.

If you are on this thread and, in any way, defending what has happened in Bondi or Manchester, please explain to me why Russian heritage people are not being killed.

I'm not defending anything, but the difference presumably is that Russians don't have extreme religious beliefs that lead them to believe that if they die defending their people that they'll become martyrs.

It's far too simplistic to say they just hate them for being Jewish and it's exactly what we were told about the 'west' after 9/11 and the terrorists attacks in Europe, they just 'hate us and our way of life'. It was nowhere near the whole truth.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:38

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:30

Did you even read what I wrote.

Because it didn’t blame Israel.

It did however challenge Israel to lead the road to peace.

Yes, I did read it. Forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick, but you seemed to rather graciously acknowledge that Israel was perhaps not ENTIRELY to blame for Hamas, but certainly bears much responsibility for shaping it and has pretty much all the power and wealth to resolve the whole situation. There is no mention of what Israel is actually up against, and has been for decades, which is not just a cluster of poverty-stricken crying children, despite what Hamas's manipulation of social media would have us believe.

So very odd that you seem determined to have this particular conversation on this thread.

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:40

Sewingaddict · 15/12/2025 21:33

The first UK protest was organised during Oct 7th when people were still being killed and kidnapped and before Israel had a response. Quite the grace

How many attended?

mouthpipette · 15/12/2025 21:41

why did they think it would be a good idea to launch an attack and what did they expect would happen next? @inamarina

Two excellent questions, that have not been properly discussed.
Their aims?
Their expectations of what would happen ?

But those are for another thread.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:42

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:26

How do you think they (Hamas) got so radicalised ?

In my opinion that’s a result of decades of kids watching their parents, friends, city, school blown to smithereens again and again.

And this is why I think that Israel needs to take the lead here. In many ways it has co-created the monster next door. Not alone of course, I acknowledge that Iranian meddling is also a huge influence on what made Hamas the evil creature it is today. It’s complex and that’s why I reach for the bigger picture - understanding that and coming to terms with it, and eventually moving beyond it is the only route to peace.

Again I used to think that, but no, it's just Jew hate.

Plus they knew it would start a war that would kill civilians that they could use as propaganda.

thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 15/12/2025 21:42

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:33

I would much rather that this thread was used for the purpose it was intended: for people to educate themselves about racism against Jews, and to learn and have personal growth.

Israel is irrelevant in this context. We are talking about the murder of Australian Jews.

As an Australian, thank you.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/12/2025 21:42

It’s absolutely horrendous, a savage attack against a community, sadly, not the first nor the last on the Jewish or western society.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:44

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:33

I would much rather that this thread was used for the purpose it was intended: for people to educate themselves about racism against Jews, and to learn and have personal growth.

Israel is irrelevant in this context. We are talking about the murder of Australian Jews.

Yes, and I'm sorry to contribute to the derailing by rising to the bait. I just find it difficult that genocidal intent towards Jews is simply denied, even when absolutely clear from world events - such as 7/10, the Manchester synagogue, Bondi... these always need "explaining" by people who are clever enough to "see the bigger picture."

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 21:46

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:37

I'm not defending anything, but the difference presumably is that Russians don't have extreme religious beliefs that lead them to believe that if they die defending their people that they'll become martyrs.

It's far too simplistic to say they just hate them for being Jewish and it's exactly what we were told about the 'west' after 9/11 and the terrorists attacks in Europe, they just 'hate us and our way of life'. It was nowhere near the whole truth.

Eh?

In this metaphor the Russians are the Israelis.

Please explain why Russian-heritage people are not being targeted in the same way.

Why were Bosnian Serbs in other countries not targeted in the same way? (Check out your 1990s history).

There is no rational explanation bar hatred of Jewish people.

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 21:48

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:44

Yes, and I'm sorry to contribute to the derailing by rising to the bait. I just find it difficult that genocidal intent towards Jews is simply denied, even when absolutely clear from world events - such as 7/10, the Manchester synagogue, Bondi... these always need "explaining" by people who are clever enough to "see the bigger picture."

I am not blaming you at all, and I totally understand why you would respond in this context.

I am rather disappointed that people are bringing up Israel at all, as an attempt to justify or minimise the murder of Australian Jews.

People need to examine why they are doing this, and self reflect: I would ask these people to look at the diagram I posted in the OP and to think about why they are denying racism, and how they can learn and grow.

Myself and others have posted resources, if anyone does wish to learn.

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snoopyscosmicanomaly · 15/12/2025 21:50

kkloo · 15/12/2025 20:05

I do have regard for the meaning and it IS a genocide.

It doesn't have to be 6 million people to be considered a genocide.

Genocide can also be one thousand people as per the October 7th genocide.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 21:52

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:18

Israel absolutely would have been given some grace had their response been proportionate.

What would be a proportionate response to a horrific attack on civilians, with over 1200 killed in one single day, over 250 taken hostage and the promise to this again and again?
And if after committing these atrocities the perpetrators (thousands of them) go and hide amongst their own civilians and in hundreds of miles long tunnels?
Fwiw, I don’t know what it would be. Maybe people who call for it (a proportional response) could explain what they envision.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:53

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:40

How many attended?

Tens of thousands of people, who were already chanting "From the river to the sea" and talking about genocide and ethnic cleansing, even though that is precisely what had just happened in Israel. Who was pulling the strings here? How did all those banners get printed so quickly?

Must we go on pretending that the terrifying rise in antisemitism since 7/10 is not being carefully orchestrated?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/14/thousands-march-through-central-london-to-call-for-a-free-palestine

Tens of thousands of protesters across UK call for a free Palestine

Seven arrested at march in London, while demonstrations also take place in Manchester, Liverpool, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/14/thousands-march-through-central-london-to-call-for-a-free-palestine

inamarina · 15/12/2025 22:02

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:20

I used to think exactly like you. Exactly.

Then I saw the footage on 7 October, and the sheer mindset Israel was dealing with. How do you even begin to make peace with a group whose core value is your destruction?

I literally don't think there's anything Isreal can do to satisfy what Hamas want short of just dying quietly.

I actually feel taken for a fool. I did the second I saw the footage of Shani Louk. I realised that any group, any society, that could not just murder an innocent young woman but parade her broken body through the streets of cheering civilians like a hunted animal, was an absolute nightmare of a next door neighbour.

Exactly, that horrible footage of Shani Louk - how do you react to people who ecstatically celebrate the broken body of a young woman being paraded around?

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