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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 15/12/2025 20:44

It’s really depressing that this thread has devolved into arguments over Israel and Palestine. Yesterday, fifteen Australian Jews were murdered. Australian. Half a world away. What does any of this have to do with them?

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 20:45

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 20:36

Do you imagine Hamas were checking passports when they indiscriminately murdered people ?

The point - which you missed - was that October 7th did not occur in a vacuum, yet Israel often adopts the false premise that it did.

So Hamas chose the cowardly route of not attacking Israeli military but sneaking themselves into a music festival - young people are easy targets you see, with no way of defending themselves. They proceeded to torture, rape and murder. In what way does raping someone make people understand their cause? If it wasn’t done in isolation what point were Hamas trying to get across?

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 20:48

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 20:41

I don't know if you're meaning to but this comes across like you think October 7 was an acceptable thing to do. You don't think that, do you?

If you read my other messages on here you’ll see I don’t.

There is never much honesty in discussing this situation.

Israel pretends October 7th was isolated and in no way connected with their treatment of Palestinian people in both Gaza and the West Bank.

I am not justifying murder, simply noting this consrant denial of the actual context and history is specious.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 20:49

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 20:37

I mean, somehow Israel forgets all context and justifies its genocidal treatment of Palestinians by pretending that October 7th happened in a vacuum.

Which context I wonder? The wars Israel didn't start, but had to fight against its neighbours? The intifadas where its civilians were blown up on buses? The constant rockets launched from Gaza? That context?

Exactly. It’s also funny how some people will insist on context and that “October 7th didn’t happen in a vacuum”, yet apparently whatever’s happening in Gaza doesn’t require any context.

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 20:52

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 20:45

So Hamas chose the cowardly route of not attacking Israeli military but sneaking themselves into a music festival - young people are easy targets you see, with no way of defending themselves. They proceeded to torture, rape and murder. In what way does raping someone make people understand their cause? If it wasn’t done in isolation what point were Hamas trying to get across?

You tell me - why does Israel deploy sexual violence and rape ?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

Pasly · 15/12/2025 20:54

thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 15/12/2025 20:44

It’s really depressing that this thread has devolved into arguments over Israel and Palestine. Yesterday, fifteen Australian Jews were murdered. Australian. Half a world away. What does any of this have to do with them?

Half a world away. What does any of this have to do with them?
I completely agree it was an horrific antisemitic attack on innocent Australian jews celebrating Hanukkah on the beautiful bondi beach a place I know well and love.

What frustrates and angers me with this though is Netanyahu's response. Suggesting this is as a result of Australia recognising the state of Palestine which inflames antisemitism. He is consistently blaming the international community for inflaming antisemitism because of their outspoken stance on Gaza. This needs to stop. Why aren't posters calling him out on this as they have done to other posters on this thread.

Australia’s prime minister has rejected accusations from his Israeli counterpart, Benjamin Netanyahu, that Australia’s recognition of a Palestinian state earlier this year had contributed to Sunday’s deadly antisemitic terrorist attack on Bondi beach in Sydney.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/15/australian-pm-rejects-netanyahu-linking-palestine-recognition-bondi-beach-attack?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Australian PM rejects Netanyahu’s linking of Palestine recognition to Bondi beach attack

Israeli PM on Sunday accused Anthony Albanese of doing ‘nothing to stop the spread of antisemitism’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/15/australian-pm-rejects-netanyahu-linking-palestine-recognition-bondi-beach-attack?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

inamarina · 15/12/2025 20:55

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 20:43

Oh come on. They’re just ‘explaining’. Every atrocity aimed at Jews has ‘an explanation’.

Yes, there’s always a “context”, and “history needs to be considered”, and “it didn’t happen in a vacuum”…
Even after a horrible attack on the other side of the world some people just can’t bring themselves to simply express sympathy for the victims.

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 20:57

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 20:38

Oh

As I said….they’re prisoners, not hostages. The piece even references them as prisoners.

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:00

inamarina · 15/12/2025 20:55

Yes, there’s always a “context”, and “history needs to be considered”, and “it didn’t happen in a vacuum”…
Even after a horrible attack on the other side of the world some people just can’t bring themselves to simply express sympathy for the victims.

It’s called acknowledging the full picture. I joined this thread at a point where the discussion was very much about the political situation in Israel & Palestine, not just acres of condolences.

What happened in Bondi was disgusting, shocking, abhorrent and should never have happened. I am shocked and saddened by it.

But the discussion I joined had begun examining the wider issue, and it’s interesting that as soon as Israel is called into doubt over its own violence, people start trying to shut that part of the discussion down.

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:02

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 20:57

As I said….they’re prisoners, not hostages. The piece even references them as prisoners.

“Prisoners” who haven’t even been charged.

A prisoner without charge is a hostage.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:07

It's interesting how the "full picture" is only considered when excusing attacks in Jews.
Israel is given no such grace.

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 21:07

When does the full picture start?

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 21:10

inamarina · 15/12/2025 20:55

Yes, there’s always a “context”, and “history needs to be considered”, and “it didn’t happen in a vacuum”…
Even after a horrible attack on the other side of the world some people just can’t bring themselves to simply express sympathy for the victims.

Thats what's got me.

"It's awful, but'

There is no but. It is a tragedy.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 21:11

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:00

It’s called acknowledging the full picture. I joined this thread at a point where the discussion was very much about the political situation in Israel & Palestine, not just acres of condolences.

What happened in Bondi was disgusting, shocking, abhorrent and should never have happened. I am shocked and saddened by it.

But the discussion I joined had begun examining the wider issue, and it’s interesting that as soon as Israel is called into doubt over its own violence, people start trying to shut that part of the discussion down.

I’ve been reading this thread from the start and it was right on the first page where someone’s mentioned Israel and how it should be possible to criticise the Israeli government without being called antisemitic.

CatkinToadflax · 15/12/2025 21:11

It’s absolutely horrifying how many posters are popping up with “but Gaza!” in a thread about murdered Australian Jews. What did any of these victims have to do with the current situation in Gaza?

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:14

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:07

It's interesting how the "full picture" is only considered when excusing attacks in Jews.
Israel is given no such grace.

Do you think this is a symmetric conflict ?

Do you think a powerful, developed, well-funded nation state, with sophisticated high tech weaponry, functioning democracy, and a free participant in international trade carries more or less responsibility to solving this perma-crisis peacefully for good ?

Because I believe it does. However Israel continues to belligerently retaliate at devastating scale, instead of seeking proper, lasting settlement.

Israel is the bigger party here, and unpalatable as it may be, must take the initiative for peace.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 21:15

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:07

It's interesting how the "full picture" is only considered when excusing attacks in Jews.
Israel is given no such grace.

Exactly.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 21:17

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:03

Agreed

Trying this out as a metaphor:

If France acted in a way you felt was wrong, would it be rational to kill French-speaking people in Canada?

Or is the only credible motive that you have a visceral loathing of french-speaking people, allowing you to jump at this flimsy pretext to give vent to your irrational hate.

Edited

@KateShugakIsALegendI’d be interested in hearing from pp too, and anyone who prefers to talk about context

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 21:18

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:14

Do you think this is a symmetric conflict ?

Do you think a powerful, developed, well-funded nation state, with sophisticated high tech weaponry, functioning democracy, and a free participant in international trade carries more or less responsibility to solving this perma-crisis peacefully for good ?

Because I believe it does. However Israel continues to belligerently retaliate at devastating scale, instead of seeking proper, lasting settlement.

Israel is the bigger party here, and unpalatable as it may be, must take the initiative for peace.

No I don’t think it’s fair for Israel to have to fight against multiple countries and a terrorist organisation funded by Iran. I don’t think anything is fair about being a Palestinian woman right now either. The entire thing is a mess and I see no way out of it. Everyone is so far past peaceful resolutions and half the world is involved in funding this - all with their own agendas. It’s not a story of Israel versus the Palestinians at all - it’s America and Iran and Egypt and endless others.

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:18

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:07

It's interesting how the "full picture" is only considered when excusing attacks in Jews.
Israel is given no such grace.

Israel absolutely would have been given some grace had their response been proportionate.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:20

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:14

Do you think this is a symmetric conflict ?

Do you think a powerful, developed, well-funded nation state, with sophisticated high tech weaponry, functioning democracy, and a free participant in international trade carries more or less responsibility to solving this perma-crisis peacefully for good ?

Because I believe it does. However Israel continues to belligerently retaliate at devastating scale, instead of seeking proper, lasting settlement.

Israel is the bigger party here, and unpalatable as it may be, must take the initiative for peace.

I used to think exactly like you. Exactly.

Then I saw the footage on 7 October, and the sheer mindset Israel was dealing with. How do you even begin to make peace with a group whose core value is your destruction?

I literally don't think there's anything Isreal can do to satisfy what Hamas want short of just dying quietly.

I actually feel taken for a fool. I did the second I saw the footage of Shani Louk. I realised that any group, any society, that could not just murder an innocent young woman but parade her broken body through the streets of cheering civilians like a hunted animal, was an absolute nightmare of a next door neighbour.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:21

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:18

Israel absolutely would have been given some grace had their response been proportionate.

I don't believe that. I thin the choir of haters would have howled at literally anything Israel did at all, so they are in a position where they might as well do what they think is necessary.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 21:22

kkloo · 15/12/2025 21:18

Israel absolutely would have been given some grace had their response been proportionate.

Bullshit

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 21:25

Well, fancy this thread turning out the way it has.. 🤡

Your post has proved itself over and over, OP, quelle surprise.

OmNomShiva · 15/12/2025 21:26

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 21:20

I used to think exactly like you. Exactly.

Then I saw the footage on 7 October, and the sheer mindset Israel was dealing with. How do you even begin to make peace with a group whose core value is your destruction?

I literally don't think there's anything Isreal can do to satisfy what Hamas want short of just dying quietly.

I actually feel taken for a fool. I did the second I saw the footage of Shani Louk. I realised that any group, any society, that could not just murder an innocent young woman but parade her broken body through the streets of cheering civilians like a hunted animal, was an absolute nightmare of a next door neighbour.

How do you think they (Hamas) got so radicalised ?

In my opinion that’s a result of decades of kids watching their parents, friends, city, school blown to smithereens again and again.

And this is why I think that Israel needs to take the lead here. In many ways it has co-created the monster next door. Not alone of course, I acknowledge that Iranian meddling is also a huge influence on what made Hamas the evil creature it is today. It’s complex and that’s why I reach for the bigger picture - understanding that and coming to terms with it, and eventually moving beyond it is the only route to peace.

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