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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 17:45

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:42

Their website is down so how can you so quickly screenshot it when it's not there?

Try this link:

www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update

"The headline split of our counter terrorist work remains roughly 75% Islamist extremist, 25% extreme right-wing terrorism. "

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 17:45

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

All loss of innocent human life is equally tragic, but there is a difference between civilians killed as collatoral damage in war, and people who are murdered.

I find it disingenious that many people have deliberately blurred this distinction throughout the Gaza conflict.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 17:46

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:43

Maybe you'd like to clear up the confusion. The difference between connecting the Bondi attack with Gaza and connecting attacks on Muslims with Islamist terror attacks? Do we need to do more homework?

I'm just confused why we cannot mention Islamic terrorism (and indeed have to pretend it doesn't exist) on a thread about the latest incident. There is nothing "Islamophobic" about it unless you insist that all Muslims are Islamic terrorists!

HelpHedgehogsByFeedingThemCatBiscuits · 15/12/2025 17:46

I couldn't agree more OP.
This disgusting anti semitism disgusts me.

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 17:47

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:42

Their website is down so how can you so quickly screenshot it when it's not there?

Because it's not down.
And pp upthread has posted similar. I am not making this up.
Do people really think white supremacists are carrying out as many attacks in the U.K as Islamists? Come on!

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 17:48

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 17:45

Try this link:

www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update

"The headline split of our counter terrorist work remains roughly 75% Islamist extremist, 25% extreme right-wing terrorism. "

The link works

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:49

I am horrified by the attack against an innocent community celebrating a religious festival in Australia.

I am also disgusted by the use of this attack to immediately spread hatred and blame towards Muslims.

Both thoughts are able to exist in my own head.

If noone can see what I mean about white supremacists using a tragedy against a minority group to demonise another minority group, then you're idiots.

Vivi0 · 15/12/2025 17:52

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 17:47

Because it's not down.
And pp upthread has posted similar. I am not making this up.
Do people really think white supremacists are carrying out as many attacks in the U.K as Islamists? Come on!

Do people really think white supremacists are carrying out as many attacks in the U.K as Islamists? Come on!

No one thinks that.

Not even the person who posted it thinks that.

They are just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Anything other than acknowledge or admit to the actual issue.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 17:52

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 17:48

The link works

Thought it might.....

@Starconundrum does it work for you?

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:53

@Tooobvious that’s not true though is it? Gaza did not declare war with Isreal. There was a terrorist attack from Hamas which lead to Isreal attacking Gaza. The vast majority of Gazans were not killed in a war. They were ‘collatoral damage’, murdered, starved and their homes and lives have been bombed into non existence.

There is boasting about Gaza (flattened and stripped of Palestinians) will be rebuilt into a playground for the rich.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 17:54

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

Not really. I asked were you including a ten year old girl in Australia when you posted about not standing with bullies. Were you?

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 17:55

Gaza did not declare war with Isreal. There was a terrorist attack from Hamas which lead to Isreal attacking Gaza.

Hamas run Gaza, and Israel are fighting Hamas in Gaza. The Gazan civilians were killed in a war Hamas started, as they have a nasty little habit of maximising civilian casualties for PR.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 17:56

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

Why are you even bringing Gaza into it?
Can attacks on Jewish people anywhere in the world ever be discussed without “but Gaza”?

HelpHedgehogsByFeedingThemCatBiscuits · 15/12/2025 17:57

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:49

I am horrified by the attack against an innocent community celebrating a religious festival in Australia.

I am also disgusted by the use of this attack to immediately spread hatred and blame towards Muslims.

Both thoughts are able to exist in my own head.

If noone can see what I mean about white supremacists using a tragedy against a minority group to demonise another minority group, then you're idiots.

'White supremacists' are figments of your own imagination.
Stop deflecting from this disgusting and terrifying anti semitism.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 17:59

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:53

@Tooobvious that’s not true though is it? Gaza did not declare war with Isreal. There was a terrorist attack from Hamas which lead to Isreal attacking Gaza. The vast majority of Gazans were not killed in a war. They were ‘collatoral damage’, murdered, starved and their homes and lives have been bombed into non existence.

There is boasting about Gaza (flattened and stripped of Palestinians) will be rebuilt into a playground for the rich.

You are aware that hamas was firing at Israel before this ?
and that the reason that they needed top level defence is because this has been ongoing for years.
And That Hamas main goal is to exterminate all Israelis and take back Israel from “border to the sea” ?

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:03

inamarina · 15/12/2025 17:56

Why are you even bringing Gaza into it?
Can attacks on Jewish people anywhere in the world ever be discussed without “but Gaza”?

Agreed

Trying this out as a metaphor:

If France acted in a way you felt was wrong, would it be rational to kill French-speaking people in Canada?

Or is the only credible motive that you have a visceral loathing of french-speaking people, allowing you to jump at this flimsy pretext to give vent to your irrational hate.

snoopyscosmicanomaly · 15/12/2025 18:05

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

Tens of thousands of Christians and tribal civilians have been murdered by Islamists in Nigeria and Sudan to name just two places where non-Muslims are genocidally persecuted. Do you also assume a complex/nuanced reaction to Islamophobia or view it in the context of these horrific crimes?

Poetnojo · 15/12/2025 18:07

FindItHardTozmakeFriends · 15/12/2025 11:47

As he was running toward the terrorist he was probably thinking to himself “I’m sick of these people giving us Muslims a bad name and I’m not going to let this happen. I just want to live in peace in Australia”.

The majority of Muslims are probably sick of this shit too.

It looks like he just saw him from behind, I wonder what made him think the shooter was a Muslim 🤔

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:07

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:03

Agreed

Trying this out as a metaphor:

If France acted in a way you felt was wrong, would it be rational to kill French-speaking people in Canada?

Or is the only credible motive that you have a visceral loathing of french-speaking people, allowing you to jump at this flimsy pretext to give vent to your irrational hate.

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@AbbaCadaBra

Interested in your thoughts on the above metaphor.

Where does it fail?

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 18:08

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:53

@Tooobvious that’s not true though is it? Gaza did not declare war with Isreal. There was a terrorist attack from Hamas which lead to Isreal attacking Gaza. The vast majority of Gazans were not killed in a war. They were ‘collatoral damage’, murdered, starved and their homes and lives have been bombed into non existence.

There is boasting about Gaza (flattened and stripped of Palestinians) will be rebuilt into a playground for the rich.

Of course the vast majority of Gazans were killed in a war! Surely you’re not going to maintain that there has been no war there?

Hamas are the government of Gaza and they planned, organised, executed and celebrated the October 7th attacks on citizens of another country. That they did not "declare war" is neither here nor there. Yes, the civilians were mostly "collateral damage" as the Israelis tried to root Hamas out of their tunnels and defeat them.

I don’t agree with many of Netanyahu's decisions about the conduct of the war and of course I deplore the plans of people like Trump, but that has nothing to do with the point in question.

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 18:17

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25milesfromhome · 15/12/2025 18:19

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Wow.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 18:23

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But you see you're again using loaded, emotive phrases that I don't agree are a correct assessment of the situation - ethnic cleansing now.
I don't agree with ethnic cleansing or genocide, and I also don't agree that either of those things happened during the recent Gazan war started by Hamas.

snoopyscosmicanomaly · 15/12/2025 18:25

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The same could be said the other way - they were attempting a genocide of innocent Jewish women, children, medics, journalists on 7th October. Nobody forced them to do it. It was an active choice to invade and commit a genocidal pogrom.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:26

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 18:03

Agreed

Trying this out as a metaphor:

If France acted in a way you felt was wrong, would it be rational to kill French-speaking people in Canada?

Or is the only credible motive that you have a visceral loathing of french-speaking people, allowing you to jump at this flimsy pretext to give vent to your irrational hate.

Edited

@PocketSand

Interested in your thoughts on the above metaphor.

Where does it fail?

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