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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:32

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:19

Who do you think Hamas are? The Gaza branch of the WI?

Poor taste. Have some compassion for fellow humans.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:33

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:29

Their website is down however scrolling down I see china, Russia, Pakistan and Islamic state.

I certainly don't see all Muslims.

They are actually very careful not to state just 'islamic' on anything. They are also clear these are large scale terrorist attacks and not the many many attacks carried out by individuals against individuals.

To be clear I abhor racism to all communities and my heart goes out to anyone affected by violence.

They are also clear these are large scale terrorist attacks and not the many many attacks carried out by individuals against individuals.

Not sure what you read. From MI5 "Much of the volume of the threat is from individuals who have self-radicalised, seeking to carry out attacks using unsophisticated or low-sophistication methodologies"

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:33

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:29

But explicable right? In a kind of "Well, when Islamic terrorists continue to murder people globally, you can't really expect there to be no repercussions" way. Not justifying it. God no, just demonstrating how 'understandable' it is. Gotta have that context. That's definitely what all right thinking people said after Christchurch.

(should probably edit to point out that this post may contain sarcasm)

Edited

Gosh, you are very mixed up. Go and lie down for a bit.

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 17:33

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

The Gazans who have died were killed in a war. I loathe Netanyahu and his policies, but war is always terrible. That’s why it’s better not to deliberately set out to provoke your much stronger neighbour, in the knowledge that your own child civilians have no protection.

The Australians who have died were not killed in a war. They were targeted solely because of their religion.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 17:34

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:29

Their website is down however scrolling down I see china, Russia, Pakistan and Islamic state.

I certainly don't see all Muslims.

They are actually very careful not to state just 'islamic' on anything. They are also clear these are large scale terrorist attacks and not the many many attacks carried out by individuals against individuals.

To be clear I abhor racism to all communities and my heart goes out to anyone affected by violence.

Islamic terrorism is not "all Muslims" and no one, as far as I can see, is saying that it is; far from it. In my own posts, I've actually tried very hard to make this clear.

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:35

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If this is your belief, good luck.

bellabasset · 15/12/2025 17:35

I worked for a Jewish family so know when their festivals are. My experience was positive

NotAnotherScarf · 15/12/2025 17:36

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

You are so right. Unfortunately, so many people equate the Israeli state with all Jewish people. When Saudi Arabia killed a journalist no one equated it to all Muslims. Or when Russia attacked Ukraine orthodox Christianity wasn't blamed. Not even in the recent boarder incident between India and Pakistan.

Sadly, the age old stigma against Jews means that even intelligent, educated people can't differentiate between a state and a religion.

ChamonixMountainBum · 15/12/2025 17:37

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 16:57

Im pretty sure white supremacists are currently in the lead, but i confess i haven't looked since the last pile on of any race that isn't indigenous to the UK.

Nope:

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/CTP-Our-Mission-Factsheet-February-2025.pdf

"Alongside MI5, CTP is working on more than 800 live investigations, involving thousands of
‘subjects of interest’ who are suspected of being directly involved in terrorism. These investigations
range from those suspected of creating or sharing terrorist material, providing financial support to
terrorist groups, or planning terror attacks in the UK or overseas.
Investigations cannot be kept open indefinitely. Choices have to constantly be made about
prioritising our investigative, surveillance and digital resources. This means that alongside our
partners in MI5 we have to make difficult decisions every day about which investigations need to be
prioritised – meaning there are tens of thousands of closed subjects of interest alongside current
investigations.
CTP arrests, on average, around 250 people every year on suspicion of terrorist offences. The
largest single focus of our investigations is Islamist extremist terrorism, in many cases inspired, and
in some enabled, by groups such as Islamic State (Da-esh) or Al Qaeda.
Of the 254 people in prison for terrorism and terrorism-connected offences, around 60% were
convicted as Islamist terrorists. Nearly a third (30%) are white-supremacists, neo-Nazis – Extreme
Right Wing Terrorists (ERWT). Of those remaining, some have less clear ideologies, often related Counter Terrorism Policing: Our mission
Statistics correct as of 12/2/2025
conspiracy theories. This split reflects the reality of our investigations with MI5, which is roughly
75% Islamist terrorism, 25% ERWT, with a small number of left wing and single-issue ideologies.
Working with police forces and emergency services across the country, CTP leads the law-
enforcement response to acts of terrorism when they happen. This includes incident response,
leading the post-incident investigation, supporting victims, survivors and their families, and bringing
those responsible to justice where possible."

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/CTP-Our-Mission-Factsheet-February-2025.pdf

NorwegianinLondon1 · 15/12/2025 17:37

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 17:33

The Gazans who have died were killed in a war. I loathe Netanyahu and his policies, but war is always terrible. That’s why it’s better not to deliberately set out to provoke your much stronger neighbour, in the knowledge that your own child civilians have no protection.

The Australians who have died were not killed in a war. They were targeted solely because of their religion.

Such a disgusting post really.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 17:37

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:35

If this is your belief, good luck.

I'm trying to understand your beliefs.

whymadam · Today 17:13

For people on this thread who cannot fathom what the tragic deaths of innocent Jewish people have to do with the ghastly situation in Palestine, go do some homework FGS! Note: this comment does not mean I justify anti-semitism, racism, violence etc, ok?

Why did innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza?

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 17:38

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

People systematically killed for no reason other than the perpetrators hatred is completely different from people killed during a war.
No death is good obv, but civilians are anticipated to die in a war zone; civilians celebrating a festival on a beach thousands of miles from any war whatsoever, are not.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:38

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:32

Poor taste. Have some compassion for fellow humans.

You need 2 armed sides to fight one of those. The people of Gaza have no army.

Is it compassionate to suggest the men that raped and murdered Jewish civilians, and were celebrated by many people in Gaza, are not any sort of 'army'? You want a semantic debate about the exact term to describe the state-sponsored group of people who torture hostages do you? Is that good taste?

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 17:38

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:29

Their website is down however scrolling down I see china, Russia, Pakistan and Islamic state.

I certainly don't see all Muslims.

They are actually very careful not to state just 'islamic' on anything. They are also clear these are large scale terrorist attacks and not the many many attacks carried out by individuals against individuals.

To be clear I abhor racism to all communities and my heart goes out to anyone affected by violence.

This is from MI5 's website. " Islamist terrorism is the most significant threat to the U.K by volume".

I am not sure why people are so determined to deny Islamist terror. This doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists or even that most are.

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
WhodunitAgatha · 15/12/2025 17:38

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

Do you understand the difference between casualties of war and casualties of terrorism?

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 17:39

NorwegianinLondon1 · 15/12/2025 17:37

Such a disgusting post really.

What is disgusting about it?

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 17:40

WhodunitAgatha · 15/12/2025 17:38

Do you understand the difference between casualties of war and casualties of terrorism?

You put it more succinctly than I did 👏

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:41

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:33

They are also clear these are large scale terrorist attacks and not the many many attacks carried out by individuals against individuals.

Not sure what you read. From MI5 "Much of the volume of the threat is from individuals who have self-radicalised, seeking to carry out attacks using unsophisticated or low-sophistication methodologies"

Yeah, that's what I said isn't it?

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 17:41

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 17:40

You put it more succinctly than I did 👏

And than I did!

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 17:41

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 17:39

What is disgusting about it?

Nothing at all.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 17:42

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:32

Poor taste. Have some compassion for fellow humans.

Then I share the PP's poor taste, and in fact applaud their gentle restraint.

Hamas are awful, murderous and brutal.

I have zero compassion for anyone in Hamas, and am astonished anyone would.

dairydebris · 15/12/2025 17:42

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 17:37

I'm trying to understand your beliefs.

whymadam · Today 17:13

For people on this thread who cannot fathom what the tragic deaths of innocent Jewish people have to do with the ghastly situation in Palestine, go do some homework FGS! Note: this comment does not mean I justify anti-semitism, racism, violence etc, ok?

Why did innocent Jewish people have to die because of Gaza?

This poster will never be able to understand why what they are saying is so deeply problematic, because if they do see it they'd be forced to admit that they are the problem.

Starconundrum · 15/12/2025 17:42

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 17:38

This is from MI5 's website. " Islamist terrorism is the most significant threat to the U.K by volume".

I am not sure why people are so determined to deny Islamist terror. This doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists or even that most are.

Their website is down so how can you so quickly screenshot it when it's not there?

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 17:43

whymadam · 15/12/2025 17:33

Gosh, you are very mixed up. Go and lie down for a bit.

Maybe you'd like to clear up the confusion. The difference between connecting the Bondi attack with Gaza and connecting attacks on Muslims with Islamist terror attacks? Do we need to do more homework?

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 17:44

PocketSand · 15/12/2025 17:25

@EasternStandard you have perfectly illustrated my point. You seem to confer more value to those who were murdered on Bondi beach to those that were murdered in Gaza. Why do you think you do that? Surely all life is sacred. Murder is murder. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

I’m sorry to sound harsh!
but the Australian families were murdered in cold blood by gunmen in a country that is not at war.

the families killed in Gaza are not murder victims but are unfortunately the victims of war , it isn’t the same thing, in war women and children get killed in the hundreds it is the cost and no country is completely innocent, our forces killed innocents as well as soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq .

I however didn’t see the same level of handwringing that I do here , is it because we were at war with them then so the innocents of that country didn’t matter?

or that people didn’t know or care?

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