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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 16:23

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 16:10

Speak for yourself.

I'm speaking for anyone who doesn't think that massacring civilians on an unrelated continent is an appropriate response to any country's foreign policy, and I'm also being that racist that I have rock-bottom expectations of certain demographics to the point I don't hold them accountable to think like decent human beings.

SeemaNormallyRight · 15/12/2025 16:27

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whymadam · 15/12/2025 16:27

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:17

But most people protesting the war in Gaza don't 'side with Hamas'. In my case I side with the helpless women and children being harried from pillar to post, staved and bombed and shot and murdered in their thousands, as if their lives were nothing. Just as I sided with the poor women and children murdered, raped and abducted by Hamas in October 7. There is literally no justification for the level of utter wholesale destruction in Gaza, just as there was no excuse for the depravity of October 7, just as there is no excuse for the pitiless murders at Bondi Beach.

This is the problem; no latitude is given for the sincerely held political position that NONE of this is OK. The implication is that if you protest children being shot in the head as they queue at a water station in a war zone, you automatically support (or at least fail to condemn) October 7 or this latest atrocity.

I stand with the women and the children, wherever they are, whatever their race or religion. This world is being destroyed almost exclusively by the violent, territorial, egocentric ideologies of men. Ask almost any mother and all she wants is to be able to raise her children in peace and safety.

Exactly this.

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 16:28

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:34

Goodness, i suspect that Jews in 1942 Europe might feel differently. Might have been a bit more risky to be Jewish then.

And what was the excuse then BTW? There was no Israel to blame when the ovens of Aushwitz were being fed with the bodies of jewish children!

incidents of anti semitism have increased by at least 200 percent since October 7. why do you think this is?

MrsCarson · 15/12/2025 16:28

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 11:27

You do know the person who grabbed the gun off the shooter was a muslim, right?

What matters is he was a brave and decisive man who did the right thing. He obviously did it to save lives no matter what their religion.

kkloo · 15/12/2025 16:29

nocoolnamesleft · 15/12/2025 11:35

Oddly enough, I would tend to assume that an attack on Jews celebrating a Jewish holiday is targeted antisemitism of the worst kind. I can’t understand the reluctance to name it as such.

I think it is far too simplistic.
And I also felt the same when the west was being attacked, the narrative was 'they just hate us and hate our way of life', which I never believed or went along with and I said that out loud at the time. There was a history that went with it, which was almost completely ignored.

Extremists generally aren't driven by a hatred based on race or group of people alone, there also tends to be history.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:30

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 16:00

Yeah one that calls out ALL terrorists not hide them and cover them up like some on here.

Also one that doesnt label a whole group as the problem like the ones saying all Muslims are radical Muslims.

Now why do you think it is ok to say some terrorists are not a problem only all Muslims?

Denying females.being terrorised by incels and denying that burning people alive in hotels is not terrorism says it all really. No wonder so many so called Christians are extremists as they are excused. No wonder so many boys have extremist views about girls.

Look on Prevent and learn that terrorism includes those burning hotels and killing women and those targeting mosques aew terrorists too. Pretending this doesnt happen is supprting them. Is there a reason why you cannot call out all terrorists if they are white?

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Also one that doesnt label a whole group as the problem like the ones saying all Muslims are radical Muslims.

Where did someone say this? Sorry if I missed it!

Radical Islam is, by a huge margin, the single biggest threat to national security, and not just here in the UK. Are we not allowed to say so, even if MI5 has confirmed it? There is a massive problem to solve here, and I don't think it helps to jab fingers in all directions saying "Oh but white people and incels do shitty things too," especially on a thread specifically about the latest devastating impact of radical Islam on the global (particularly Jewish) community.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:34

kkloo · 15/12/2025 16:29

I think it is far too simplistic.
And I also felt the same when the west was being attacked, the narrative was 'they just hate us and hate our way of life', which I never believed or went along with and I said that out loud at the time. There was a history that went with it, which was almost completely ignored.

Extremists generally aren't driven by a hatred based on race or group of people alone, there also tends to be history.

Extremists generally aren't driven by a hatred based on race or group of people alone, there also tends to be history.

I think you need to read up a bit about radical Islam, sorry.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 16:35

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I’m sorry I was steering clear but.. are you actually saying that 34% of Muslims would not tell the police about a terrorist in their community in the U.K.?
how can you actually think this is a good thing?
and you think this shows that they “fit” in!
im sorry but this information if true doesn’t show the Muslim community in the good light you think it does.🤷‍♀️

OneGreySeal · 15/12/2025 16:36

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:30

Also one that doesnt label a whole group as the problem like the ones saying all Muslims are radical Muslims.

Where did someone say this? Sorry if I missed it!

Radical Islam is, by a huge margin, the single biggest threat to national security, and not just here in the UK. Are we not allowed to say so, even if MI5 has confirmed it? There is a massive problem to solve here, and I don't think it helps to jab fingers in all directions saying "Oh but white people and incels do shitty things too," especially on a thread specifically about the latest devastating impact of radical Islam on the global (particularly Jewish) community.

This poster is precisely the reason why antisemitism isn’t taken seriously anymore op. Posters like this are desperate to hijack real issues like the shooting to further their own racist and islamaphobic agenda. The entire thread has descended into the usual, pro Palestine is wrong, Israel has a right to defend itself, islamists are to blame and radical Islam is the cause, Hamas etc etc

There are far too many people who simply wont buy the narrative that protesting against a genocide or being a Muslim has caused this antisemitic attack. So that’s why you have the conflation or explaining away you mentioned in your op.

Hate pure hate and as the cause of this attack.

OneGreySeal · 15/12/2025 16:38

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:34

Extremists generally aren't driven by a hatred based on race or group of people alone, there also tends to be history.

I think you need to read up a bit about radical Islam, sorry.

There’s no ‘radical Islam’ there’s radical, extremist people. Quit your agenda and have some respect for the people who have lost their lives. They’ve not yet been buried and you’re using them to fight your disgusting culture war.

kkloo · 15/12/2025 16:39

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:34

Extremists generally aren't driven by a hatred based on race or group of people alone, there also tends to be history.

I think you need to read up a bit about radical Islam, sorry.

I know a lot about it and have studied homegrown terrorism in college so I have a good understanding of it.

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 16:39

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What are your husband's traditional views exactly?

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 16:39

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 16:28

incidents of anti semitism have increased by at least 200 percent since October 7. why do you think this is?

Well considering that October 7th was when hamas carried out their atrocities against Jewish people that were at a festival and were not all from Israel.
not when Israel fought back , you tell us why you think it was?

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 16:42

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 15:34

Islamic terrorists are the ones killing Jewish people and making them unsafe - they have agency, no-one can "make" them attack and kill innocent people against their will.

The racism of low expectations from the ‘anti-racists’

PommesdePlume · 15/12/2025 16:44

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:24

WTF?
If a large group of families were celebrating Eid on a beach and were gunned down in cold blood, would you say “ I have no problem naming Islamophobia. I also have no problem saying the Iranian government commit atrocities”?
Like, WTF has the senseless murder of a 10 year old girl in Australia got to do with the Israeli/ Palestinian war??
YOU are part of the problem. Ffs

If you think that this atrocity stands on it's own then you're being naive. The current war will have a big influence on behaviours especially when people have extreme opinions to begin with. It brings the hatred out of the past and makes it current and some will use to justify their actions.

AdjustingVideoFrameRate · 15/12/2025 16:44

This was a foul massacre targeting Jewish people celebrating a Jewish holiday on a beach. Violently and mercilessly antisemitic and racist.

I’m really thinking that non-Jews (like me) need to get a lot more vocal in calling out antisemitism whenever it pokes its head out of the gutter, but not sure how to go about it. Otherwise there’s the danger of seeing more of these atrocities and more antisemitism sneaking under the radar in casual conversations, school corridors, and on the streets under cover of political demonstrations.

What we really don’t want is for antisemitism to become normalised in the UK, or anywhere else. As far as I’m concerned Jewish people must be allowed to live free from fear in my country.

Agree with OP 100 per cent.

whymadam · 15/12/2025 16:45

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:01

I also think it is highly disingenuous for people to say "why would you talk about Gaza on this TOTALLY UNRELATED thread about Bondi?" as if the post was simply about that attack, rather than a post about anti-semitism, which has increasingly been ascribed wholesale to anyone who protests against the war in Gaza. The "contextualised out of existence" remark particularly dog-whistled that those who see this attack in its context as part of increased radicalisation as a consequence of the war in Gaza are trying to justify or deny anti-semitism. It called for a response.

Totally agree! Also, there are SO MANY people on this thread who seem not to know the difference between Hamas and Palestine, or the Jewish faith and Israel, or what a Zionist is. No one is justifying the atrocious Bondi attacks and / or anti-semitism by pointing out these differences.

SlimSchadee · 15/12/2025 16:46

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Leo800 · 15/12/2025 16:46

We have a serious problem. I work in a school & today had multiple pupils claiming the attack was justified. It’s horrific & senior management are so afraid to offend this community, they let it slide.

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 16:47

Leo800 · 15/12/2025 16:46

We have a serious problem. I work in a school & today had multiple pupils claiming the attack was justified. It’s horrific & senior management are so afraid to offend this community, they let it slide.

That’s terrible. What have we come to?

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:48

OneGreySeal · 15/12/2025 16:36

This poster is precisely the reason why antisemitism isn’t taken seriously anymore op. Posters like this are desperate to hijack real issues like the shooting to further their own racist and islamaphobic agenda. The entire thread has descended into the usual, pro Palestine is wrong, Israel has a right to defend itself, islamists are to blame and radical Islam is the cause, Hamas etc etc

There are far too many people who simply wont buy the narrative that protesting against a genocide or being a Muslim has caused this antisemitic attack. So that’s why you have the conflation or explaining away you mentioned in your op.

Hate pure hate and as the cause of this attack.

Well I can't expect you to hang onto my every word, but my previous posts have tried to make it absolutely clear that radical Islam is nothing to do with "being a Muslim." I even posted a graphic illustrating what an extremist fringe it is.

There is nothing "conflated" about commenting on the latest attack by violent Islamists and wondering out loud how we can address this problem in our global society.

There are far too many people who simply wont buy the narrative that protesting against a genocide or being a Muslim has caused this antisemitic attack. So that’s why you have the conflation or explaining away you mentioned in your op.

I'm not sure I understand that underlined bit, actually... is there something missing? Genuine question.

Dideon · 15/12/2025 16:48

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire. Every Jew online gets called a Zionist. Even if they categorically state otherwise. Useful bloody idiots.

Look she comment section of ANY Jew on TikTok. It’s appalling.

Sikhs stand with Jews

Bollocks !! I believe in a free Palestine but there is no blood on my hands whatsoever.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 16:49

whymadam · 15/12/2025 16:45

Totally agree! Also, there are SO MANY people on this thread who seem not to know the difference between Hamas and Palestine, or the Jewish faith and Israel, or what a Zionist is. No one is justifying the atrocious Bondi attacks and / or anti-semitism by pointing out these differences.

Maybe you’d like to tell us what a Zionist is

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 16:49

OneGreySeal · 15/12/2025 16:38

There’s no ‘radical Islam’ there’s radical, extremist people. Quit your agenda and have some respect for the people who have lost their lives. They’ve not yet been buried and you’re using them to fight your disgusting culture war.

I'm not fighting a disgusting culture war. I'm responding to posters - and there are many - who refuse to see the attack in Bondi as anything but the actions of a couple of isolated weirdos, and/or as somehow explained by the Israel–Gaza war.

Edited to add: I don't understand why you insist that there is no kind of global network for Islamic terrorism? Why? I've repeated a million times on this thread that it has nothing to do with Muslims in general, but simply pretending it doesn't exist is ridiculous.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/history/mi5-in-the-1990s-and-2000s/the-rise-of-the-islamist-terrorist-threat

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