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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 15:43

Sewingaddict · 15/12/2025 15:28

Yanbu, there is a fanatic group, and it is mostly the same usernames everytime, despite frequent deletions, of mumsnet posters that appear on every single Jewish antisemitism related thread. Minimising, derailing (so much derailing), denying antisemitism and determined to do a “gotcha” to try and prove the Jewish person or topic wrong and often feels like they’re trying to get the thread deleted. They are vile antisemites but also just a reflection of society, as there are many vile antisemitic people walking amongst us.

This 100% 😥

Lunalara · 15/12/2025 15:43

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 11:52

I haven't seen much anti-semitism since the attacks, more rallying around the Jewish community which is positive, however I have seen quite a lot of anti-Islamic bullshit. I saw a post about the pigs heads at the cemetery and the comments were horrific.

None of it is acceptable. People don't seem to be able to separate their feelings towards the Israeli government and Jewish people. Same as people cannot separate their feelings towards the Palestinian people and Hamas. And Muslims and 9/11 et al. And so on. People need to understand that not everyone who has a certain faith, background or ethnicity are related to certain beliefs or incidences. And your feelings towards the behaviour of a government or terrorist group should not be attributed to innocent people. I think the world's media and social media have a lot to blame in this, they know how to whip up hatred and the more they do so, the more we will see such atrocities.

I feel for anyone affected. This is an awful situation and I cannot see how it is going to end. There is so much hatred around right now. But even when you report certain things on social media, they don't remove it.

This 100%

SlimSchadee · 15/12/2025 15:48

THIS! 10000%

whymadam · 15/12/2025 15:50

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

Yes, THIS

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 15:51

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 15:30

I know but I would have hoped that society would have moved on ! Apparently it hasn’t changed 🤷‍♀️

No it hasn't and now it is worse than when one country (Germany) turned on its Jews. Now it's become worldwide from the UK to America, from France to Australia ... Where next? I fear for my children and my grandchildren 😥.

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:51

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 15:40

Are you aware that Jewish schools and places of worship in the U.K. had security guards and measures before oct 7 and Gaza?
are you aware that they were subjected to racist attacks frequently before oct 7 and Gaza?
because it seems to me that obviously you weren’t or didn’t care enough to notice before these things happened.

Of course I was aware of those things, especially being Jewish. But what I’m asking is if people think Netanyahus actions SINCE then have made the Jewish community feel any safer. I personally do not feel safer and fear attacks against us may become more prevalent. Is that ok with you?

Boomer55 · 15/12/2025 15:54

Terrorism is awful - no matter who’s doing it. I remember the IRA attacks over here and now innocent people are caught up in different ones. 🤷‍♀️

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 15:59

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:51

Of course I was aware of those things, especially being Jewish. But what I’m asking is if people think Netanyahus actions SINCE then have made the Jewish community feel any safer. I personally do not feel safer and fear attacks against us may become more prevalent. Is that ok with you?

Then why exactly are you bringing Israel onto a thread about Australian families being attacked?
The sooner people understand that people are not responsible for actions in other countries just because of their religion the better .
is that ok with you?

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 16:00

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 13:26

You are really revealing yourself.

Yeah one that calls out ALL terrorists not hide them and cover them up like some on here.

Also one that doesnt label a whole group as the problem like the ones saying all Muslims are radical Muslims.

Now why do you think it is ok to say some terrorists are not a problem only all Muslims?

Denying females.being terrorised by incels and denying that burning people alive in hotels is not terrorism says it all really. No wonder so many so called Christians are extremists as they are excused. No wonder so many boys have extremist views about girls.

Look on Prevent and learn that terrorism includes those burning hotels and killing women and those targeting mosques aew terrorists too. Pretending this doesnt happen is supprting them. Is there a reason why you cannot call out all terrorists if they are white?

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 15/12/2025 16:01

1dayatatime · 15/12/2025 11:52

When was the last extremist Sikh terrorist attack in the UK?

I will never forget the scene after the July 7th tube attack of Sikhs coming out of a nearby Gurdwara and providing bottles of water to the victims.

Sikhs are without doubt the best example of successful integration, known for being hard-working, peaceful, and community-oriented.

I believe you about Sikhs. Gurdwaras get on with quietly doing a hell of a lot of good for their local community. Your faith doesn't matter, if you turn up you will be fed.

The British Empire stole their land, because of course we did.

Sikhs worldwide are still being persecuted, including in Canada, BC, (an area known for being progressive). Sikh organizations demand action on extortion and violence in B.C. | CBC.ca

(edited to add: I can't see what you are replying to, so sorry if this is a non-sequitur.)

WhodunitAgatha · 15/12/2025 16:01

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:31

Well do you think it his actions have made the Jewish community any safer?

Those targets have been on Jewish backs since time immemorial
And BTW this latest wave of anti-Jewish sentiment, epitomised by the hate marches, ramped up immediately after Oct 7th, before Israeli military response (which was justified anyway but that's not the point here)
You're seeking caveats rather than admit that you side with monsters, like all the other fashionable idiots.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 16:05

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:42

Yes. But have the actions of Netanyahu in response to these Islamic Terrorists made the Jewish community safer?

Irrelevant.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 16:07

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 15:51

No it hasn't and now it is worse than when one country (Germany) turned on its Jews. Now it's become worldwide from the UK to America, from France to Australia ... Where next? I fear for my children and my grandchildren 😥.

I’m sorry that it’s come to this for you and your family and the many Jewish people here and in other countries ❤️ , I know that will be small comfort for you but know that me and many, many others do care and hope for better times for you.

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 16:08

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 15:59

Then why exactly are you bringing Israel onto a thread about Australian families being attacked?
The sooner people understand that people are not responsible for actions in other countries just because of their religion the better .
is that ok with you?

You seem to be having some difficulty separating Jewish people (ie Netanyahu) with Israel.

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 16:08

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 16:07

I’m sorry that it’s come to this for you and your family and the many Jewish people here and in other countries ❤️ , I know that will be small comfort for you but know that me and many, many others do care and hope for better times for you.

Thank you. Your support is much appreciated.

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 16:09

WhodunitAgatha · 15/12/2025 16:01

Those targets have been on Jewish backs since time immemorial
And BTW this latest wave of anti-Jewish sentiment, epitomised by the hate marches, ramped up immediately after Oct 7th, before Israeli military response (which was justified anyway but that's not the point here)
You're seeking caveats rather than admit that you side with monsters, like all the other fashionable idiots.

I’m Jewish.

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 16:10

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 16:05

Irrelevant.

Speak for yourself.

whymadam · 15/12/2025 16:12

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 15/12/2025 13:23

Absolutely my own stance, and I do wish that people would learn to differentiate between the two.

Yes, and mine too. It is absolutely ridiculous that people can't / don't / won't differentiate!

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 15/12/2025 16:13

I agree with you, OP. And that is a great circle graphic.

UsernameMcUsername · 15/12/2025 16:16

I'm with you OP. I've found this attack particularly horrifying. My church and other churches I know organise events like that - outdoor, family orientated, open invitation to people outside our community. And we are safe to do so. We do so without a thought once the basic elf'n'safety requirements are met. Why can't Jews do that? Manchester made me feel the same. Again we worship freely with people wandering in and out and minimal security. Why can't Jews do that? I don't feel like we are shocked and horrified enough.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 16:17

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 16:08

You seem to be having some difficulty separating Jewish people (ie Netanyahu) with Israel.

Not really no ! , I had a very good friend from Israel that I worked with many years ago, she was lovely and she wasn’t Jewish.
not everyone who is Israeli is Jewish , just as not every Jewish person is “white “ and every Muslim person is “brown “ , I have no difficulty laying the blame on who is responsible individually rather than blaming an entire country.
and that would equally apply to Gaza aswell as Israel.
although in this case none of this applies as we are talking about Australia and Australian families.

Vivi0 · 15/12/2025 16:17

TrippingOverMyAssets · 15/12/2025 15:42

Yes. But have the actions of Netanyahu in response to these Islamic Terrorists made the Jewish community safer?

I highly doubt you would say “but have the actions of Islamic terrorists made the Muslim community any safer” if white Europeans started gunning down and massacring Muslims going about their daily business and celebrating their holy days.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2025 16:17

People say we support terrorism yet only a small percentage 34% (less than 1.5 million in the Uk) would fail to tell police if there was a terrorist amongst us

Not sure where this has come from, @SeemaNormallyRight; if you're thinking of the 2016 ICM poll I thought it was just 34% who would inform the police, but if you're correct I wouldn't call 34% a "small" number - a minority, yes, but still far too many

Also, given that the vast majority of decent muslims want nothing to do with terrorism, that % probably says more about the attitudes of those who support it, which is worrying in itself

TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 16:20

Thank you for the messages of support here, especially from allies, your support is greatly appreciated and needed now more than ever. I really respect people who say that they don't know much about the subject and are willing to learn more as well.

The responses of 'but Israel' do really highlight the issue sadly. Any attempt to justify or minimise a terrorist attack on Jews is not ok. Hannukah on Bondi beach has nothing to do with Israel.

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ChristmasMantleStatue · 15/12/2025 16:21

Well said.

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