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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 14:02

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:49

Who has done that though??? Quote the post that says these victims don't deserve sympathy (or even questions whether they do?) I have not seen it. I have seen people highlighting the context and being called anti-semitic for doing so.

That is the key point.

Can you explain 'the context' without conflating Australian Jews with the actions of the Israeli government?

I doubt it - but am all ears.

If you can't, then I would suggest you consider why not, and why that might be a problem.

HellsBells13 · 15/12/2025 14:03

I have never, ever understood why Jewish people have been persecuted throughout history. I just cannot understand it. They are kind hardworking people. I was employed by family companyyears ago , great employers who looked after us.

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 14:04

inamarina · 15/12/2025 14:01

I saw your post on the other thread and couldn’t quite make out whether you were being serious or not.
Do you really think that 39% of a community group thinking women should always obey their husbands and 34% not telling the police if there was a terrorist among them is not a big deal?

It's a joke, right?

I am also baffled as to how these two terrorists were flagged by Australian police in 2019, but then allowed to have 6 guns!

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 14:06

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:24

WTF?
If a large group of families were celebrating Eid on a beach and were gunned down in cold blood, would you say “ I have no problem naming Islamophobia. I also have no problem saying the Iranian government commit atrocities”?
Like, WTF has the senseless murder of a 10 year old girl in Australia got to do with the Israeli/ Palestinian war??
YOU are part of the problem. Ffs

I wholeheartedly agree! , what has Australian and U.K. families have to do with Israel!
so Predictable and would not be tolerated or done to any other religion or culture.

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:06

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 13:57

I find it incredible thst some people are so utterly blinkered. 'I don't like Netanyahu that doesn't mean I don't lke Jews!'. Well no but so many pro pals have been brainwashed by hamas ideology and do hate Jews. So fine pat yourselves on the head that you allegedly aren't anti semitic but fgs wake up and recognise that many people are. Hence the Bondi atrocity and sadly there'll be more to come.

If you can spell Netanyahu, you can spell Palestine. Reducing a people to ‘Pals’ is horrible.

EasternEcho · 15/12/2025 14:07

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

Edited

People of the Book refers to Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The three religions that base their faith on divine scriptures, the Bible, Torah, and Quran. So no, it doesn't apply to only non-Muslims. It refers to non-believers amongst all the People of the Book.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 14:07

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 14:04

It's a joke, right?

I am also baffled as to how these two terrorists were flagged by Australian police in 2019, but then allowed to have 6 guns!

Not quite sure what it is, certainly hope it’s a joke!
Agree with the rest of your post.

PinkTonic · 15/12/2025 14:07

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You’re joking right? Half of your community are tolerant to gay people? It’s ILLEGAL here to be intolerant of gay people FYI! And you believe that just under 40% of women thinking they should obey their husbands is fine? And that 34% of people who wouldn’t report a terrorist in your midst is a small number of? Yes, very peaceful and super compatible with western values!

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:08

inamarina · 15/12/2025 14:01

I saw your post on the other thread and couldn’t quite make out whether you were being serious or not.
Do you really think that 39% of a community group thinking women should always obey their husbands and 34% not telling the police if there was a terrorist among them is not a big deal?

I’m not sure that post is in good faith.

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:09

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 13:58

WTF? These figures are not reassuring at all!

I know - I'm looking at that and thinking that's frikking terrifying! More than ONE IN THREE Muslims in the UK admited to an interviewer that they wouldn't tell the police if they knew there was a terrorist. Which means a lot more actually think it but wouldn't admit it.

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:09

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:06

If you can spell Netanyahu, you can spell Palestine. Reducing a people to ‘Pals’ is horrible.

Oh it isn't horrible by any stretch. We all know exactly what pro pal protests are. I find it fascinating that that is what has upset you when there has been a mass murder Confused.

PinkTonic · 15/12/2025 14:10

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:08

I’m not sure that post is in good faith.

Well actually the numbers do line up, so whilst the poster may be on the wind up…

5MinuteArgument · 15/12/2025 14:10

I hope all the thousands of people who join pro-Gaza demos will now be more careful about their chants and slogans.

Peaceful protest is one thing but chants of 'Globalise the Intafada' and 'From the River to the Sea' create an environment where the kind of anti-Jewish outrage that happened on Bondi Beach is more likely to happen.

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:12

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:09

Oh it isn't horrible by any stretch. We all know exactly what pro pal protests are. I find it fascinating that that is what has upset you when there has been a mass murder Confused.

Would you call Pakistani people ‘P””””””? No. So don’t do it to Palestinians.

I find it fascinating that you can decide what has upset me when you have just joined the thread and clearly haven’t bothered reading it.

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:12

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 14:04

It's a joke, right?

I am also baffled as to how these two terrorists were flagged by Australian police in 2019, but then allowed to have 6 guns!

My understanding of the situation is that it was the son Naveed who had been flagged by the Australian police and the father Sajid, who held a licence for six high-powered hunting weapons.

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:13

'Peaceful protest is one thing but chants of 'Globalise the Intafada' and 'From the River to the Sea' create an environment where the kind of anti-Jewish outrage that happened on Bondi Beach is more likely to happen.'

Yes they need to try 'peace and love' or similar. Not quite got the same ring to it for a death cult.

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:15

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:36

Is there anyone on here who said you can't?
This is about racism not "what about Israel".

Exactly. Because then you have people online saying
'Oh, yes, it's terrible.....but Chabad have ties to Zionism and Israel so they are really the ones to blame for this'

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:15

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 14:02

That is the key point.

Can you explain 'the context' without conflating Australian Jews with the actions of the Israeli government?

I doubt it - but am all ears.

If you can't, then I would suggest you consider why not, and why that might be a problem.

The context, just as it was ahead of 7/7, is that there is a bloody war in the middle east in which Muslims (or people perceived to be Muslims) are getting by far the worst of it. The Muslim concept of the Ummah means that a lot of Muslims feel this is not something happening far away to other people, but to their family. For those who already have a very fundamentalist approach to their religion, this perceived affront can be radicalising and the context that tips them over from mere ideological hatred and radicalism to terrorist action.

NONE OF WHICH IS TO SAY THAT IT IS JUSTIFIED - either the ideology or the terrorism. Which I would LIKE to think goes without saying but given the bad faith shown on here so far I thought I'd better spell it out. So of course in the context of the war in Gaza Jewish communities are more at risk. But this terrorist atrocity in Australia is not some kind of gotcha against the people who protest about the war in Gaza, any more than it is some sort of 'told you so' FOR those people.

That is the context, and why the war in Gaza bears mentioning in the context of this attack. It plays a part in setting the stage for this to happen.

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:15

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:12

Would you call Pakistani people ‘P””””””? No. So don’t do it to Palestinians.

I find it fascinating that you can decide what has upset me when you have just joined the thread and clearly haven’t bothered reading it.

Decent people don't refer to Pakistani people as p.....s because it is a derogatory term, an insult.

Referring to pro Palestinian people at pro Pals is rather different as it has no negative connotations and the word isn't shortened as an insult.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 14:15

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

What has that got to do with Australia?
these families are Australian! How does Palestine or Israel have anything to do with these Australian families? 😡

attichoarder · 15/12/2025 14:16

I totally agree that the antisemitism is appalling and the reluctance of people to condemn this action is alarming. What really annoys me is that many of those people who are members of other religions who will not condemn this horrific attack would be totally appalled if their religion was attacked and then not condemned. It seems that some people of faith want freedom Just their own religion it wants to deny others that. They want to criticise other peoples religion but then demonstrate about about it. If their religion is criticised it’s basically hypocrisy and undermines British values in my view.

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 14:16

I don't care what the Quran says or doesn't say.
The only thing I care about is that MI5 has indeed stated that 75% of terrorist threats are from Islamists.
I know this because I went to the MI5 exhibition in London where this was stated. I expect anyone can look up these figures to confirm.
It's quite foolish to underestimate the threat of Islamists.

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:17

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:13

'Peaceful protest is one thing but chants of 'Globalise the Intafada' and 'From the River to the Sea' create an environment where the kind of anti-Jewish outrage that happened on Bondi Beach is more likely to happen.'

Yes they need to try 'peace and love' or similar. Not quite got the same ring to it for a death cult.

Calling a religion of 2 billion people a death cult is a bit fanciful.

Not a very successful death cult are they, as less than 50 deaths in the West this year.

What is that ratio per death club member?

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:17

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:12

Would you call Pakistani people ‘P””””””? No. So don’t do it to Palestinians.

I find it fascinating that you can decide what has upset me when you have just joined the thread and clearly haven’t bothered reading it.

I was talking about protests. Pro palestinian protests. I wouldn't call anyone form gaza a Pal, correct.

Anyway, back to the point. It is totally disingenuous for anyone to think the narrative of these marches is not inciting hate and violence towards Jews globally.

5MinuteArgument · 15/12/2025 14:18

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:13

'Peaceful protest is one thing but chants of 'Globalise the Intafada' and 'From the River to the Sea' create an environment where the kind of anti-Jewish outrage that happened on Bondi Beach is more likely to happen.'

Yes they need to try 'peace and love' or similar. Not quite got the same ring to it for a death cult.

Yes, I was horrified when Sidiq Khan allowed the slogan 'From the River to the Sea' to be projected onto the houses of parliament. He's happy to create a hostile environment for Jews in London.

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