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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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nomas · 15/12/2025 14:18

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:12

My understanding of the situation is that it was the son Naveed who had been flagged by the Australian police and the father Sajid, who held a licence for six high-powered hunting weapons.

Surely they should have cross checked against family members. Seems like a big misstep.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 14:18

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:15

The context, just as it was ahead of 7/7, is that there is a bloody war in the middle east in which Muslims (or people perceived to be Muslims) are getting by far the worst of it. The Muslim concept of the Ummah means that a lot of Muslims feel this is not something happening far away to other people, but to their family. For those who already have a very fundamentalist approach to their religion, this perceived affront can be radicalising and the context that tips them over from mere ideological hatred and radicalism to terrorist action.

NONE OF WHICH IS TO SAY THAT IT IS JUSTIFIED - either the ideology or the terrorism. Which I would LIKE to think goes without saying but given the bad faith shown on here so far I thought I'd better spell it out. So of course in the context of the war in Gaza Jewish communities are more at risk. But this terrorist atrocity in Australia is not some kind of gotcha against the people who protest about the war in Gaza, any more than it is some sort of 'told you so' FOR those people.

That is the context, and why the war in Gaza bears mentioning in the context of this attack. It plays a part in setting the stage for this to happen.

there is a bloody war in the middle east

There's more than one. As there are more globally. The obsession with one is indicative of the problem. So thanks for that, I guess.

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:19

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:15

Decent people don't refer to Pakistani people as p.....s because it is a derogatory term, an insult.

Referring to pro Palestinian people at pro Pals is rather different as it has no negative connotations and the word isn't shortened as an insult.

It is negative when you don’t have a similar word for Israelis.

Either do it to both or none.

The MSM never uses pro-pal, it would be unthinkable.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 14:20

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 15/12/2025 13:56

Read the post again. They need to be more careful with their wording, at best.

"We all know which group is the problem. It isn’t Sikhs, Hindus, Jews or Christians shooting people dead, running them over in Christmas markets, blowing them up in the street" sounds very much like they are grouping all Muslims together does it not.

Would it be ok to say "We all know which group is the problem" about Jews?

You read it that way. I thought they were careful with their wording. Why is it so hard to admit the elephant in the room?

reem123 · 15/12/2025 14:20

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 10:47

It shocks me that religious leaders of other religious, particularly that of attackers, do not come out in force to denounce the actions of the murderers

I think you will find they have. Just about every mufti, sheikh, scholar and imam I follow have condemned the attack. Just because they aren’t getting the publicity doesn’t mean they haven’t.

tobee · 15/12/2025 14:21

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

We've seen in the past that this kind of hate can occur, anti Semitic hate and murder, happens whatever the Israeli government are doing.

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:21

'Calling a religion of 2 billion people a death cult is a bit fanciful'

I'm talkiing about the jihadis & co. Those people who use the narrative of 'from the river to the sea' and commit atrocities. They are in a death cult.

'Fanciful'? Sorry, what?

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:21

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:18

Surely they should have cross checked against family members. Seems like a big misstep.

Agree ... I expect the phrase "lessons have been learnt" will come out at some point.

Hopefully lessons really have been learnt about cross referencing close family members and also about stricter laws around gun ownership generally.

MidnightMusing5 · 15/12/2025 14:21

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 10:47

It shocks me that religious leaders of other religious, particularly that of attackers, do not come out in force to denounce the actions of the murderers

They did . It’s just not reported nationally. Definitely was , locally to me.

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:21

attichoarder · 15/12/2025 14:16

I totally agree that the antisemitism is appalling and the reluctance of people to condemn this action is alarming. What really annoys me is that many of those people who are members of other religions who will not condemn this horrific attack would be totally appalled if their religion was attacked and then not condemned. It seems that some people of faith want freedom Just their own religion it wants to deny others that. They want to criticise other peoples religion but then demonstrate about about it. If their religion is criticised it’s basically hypocrisy and undermines British values in my view.

Again, many Muslim leaders have condemned the attack. Have you read the thread?

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:21

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:13

'Peaceful protest is one thing but chants of 'Globalise the Intafada' and 'From the River to the Sea' create an environment where the kind of anti-Jewish outrage that happened on Bondi Beach is more likely to happen.'

Yes they need to try 'peace and love' or similar. Not quite got the same ring to it for a death cult.

Even the head of the National Union of Students chanted "Khaybar, Khaybar, ya yahud! Jaish Muhammad soufa yaʿoud!"

Manchester and Bondi Beach are both the exact outcomes of that slogan which has become very popular

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:23

tobee · 15/12/2025 14:21

We've seen in the past that this kind of hate can occur, anti Semitic hate and murder, happens whatever the Israeli government are doing.

There's only been an Israel for 80 years but there's been two millenia of anti semtism

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:23

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 14:18

there is a bloody war in the middle east

There's more than one. As there are more globally. The obsession with one is indicative of the problem. So thanks for that, I guess.

I am well aware of that but they are not relevant to the context of this attack, which is what I had been asked to explain. Again your desperate misinterpreting for a gotcha is in very bad faith.

Sausagenbacon · 15/12/2025 14:24

Martin Amis. Spot on

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:24

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:19

It is negative when you don’t have a similar word for Israelis.

Either do it to both or none.

The MSM never uses pro-pal, it would be unthinkable.

Oh, I've seen "zios" used with abandon.

canuckup · 15/12/2025 14:26

It's totally about Jews. He targeted a Jewish event.

If he'd have robbed a cake shop and eaten all the cakes, you wouldn't say he doesn't like cake, would you?

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:26

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:24

Oh, I've seen "zios" used with abandon.

On this thread? where? The continuous imputation of positions and prejudices on people without evidence is part of the problem that gets us here.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 15/12/2025 14:27

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:23

There's only been an Israel for 80 years but there's been two millenia of anti semtism

Thank you for putting that so succinctly. I’ve finally got it, I think.

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:28

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:23

I am well aware of that but they are not relevant to the context of this attack, which is what I had been asked to explain. Again your desperate misinterpreting for a gotcha is in very bad faith.

You seem to be explaining the Bondi Beach (and presumably Manchester) attacks as because there is some global Muslim ummah family and some Muslims feel they must attack Jews because Israelis are attacking Palestinians who are mainly Muslims.

Yet, (mainly Buddhist) Myanmar commited a genocide against the Muslim Rohingya. Never heard of a Buddhist temple being attacked.

Russia in Chechnya and through their funding of the war in Syria killed way more Muslims than Israel ever could. Never seen a Russian orthodox church attacked,

So this whole one big Muslim family theory kinda falls apart. Because Muslims seems to only really care about one particular situation.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 14:30

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:02

This! Oh but 'I don't like the CCP it isn't a Chinese thing honest' would be rightly ripped to pieces on here.

Just say the atrocity in Bondi was horrific. That's it, we don't want to hear excuses about conflicts in other countries.

Edited

I agree with you. However equating Israel with Jewish people/general antisemitism in other countries IE “they are one and the same” isn’t only done by nasty racists. It’s also frequently done by Netanyahu and his government in order to attempt to silence critics of Israeli government policy. I disagree with both instances of it.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 14:30

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:28

You seem to be explaining the Bondi Beach (and presumably Manchester) attacks as because there is some global Muslim ummah family and some Muslims feel they must attack Jews because Israelis are attacking Palestinians who are mainly Muslims.

Yet, (mainly Buddhist) Myanmar commited a genocide against the Muslim Rohingya. Never heard of a Buddhist temple being attacked.

Russia in Chechnya and through their funding of the war in Syria killed way more Muslims than Israel ever could. Never seen a Russian orthodox church attacked,

So this whole one big Muslim family theory kinda falls apart. Because Muslims seems to only really care about one particular situation.

That's unfair. Many muslims have decried this attack, and bear in mind that the man who stood in to help, and got shot in the process, is a Syrian muslim.

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:30

nomas · 15/12/2025 14:19

It is negative when you don’t have a similar word for Israelis.

Either do it to both or none.

The MSM never uses pro-pal, it would be unthinkable.

True the MSM don't use the term but it gets used informally a lot on MN, especially on the Conflict in the Middle East board.

Not to describe Palestinians themselves as Pals. Only ever to describe the people who post regularly on MN with a pro Palestinian/anti Israel stance as pro Pals.

In return they do tend to call anyone who posts in defence of Israel pro Israel (even if we consider ourselves to be pro Palestinian too but anti Hamas).

They don't shorten it because it's short anyway but I wouldn't care if they did use a shorter word because to do so to save time typing out Israel each time wouldn't be an insult.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 14:32

That’s to say Netanyahu and his ministers always trots out the disingenuous (and harmful) “you’re criticising Israel because you hate Jewish people” line whenever it suits him.

climbintheback · 15/12/2025 14:34

What could have deterred this father and son and all the other attackers - they don’t fear death or life imprisonment - what can we do to stop them or is it inevitable that we must fear for our lives every time we step out the door!

sabababa · 15/12/2025 14:34

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 13:24

Of course that's correct and that is an absolute tragedy.

However, the current Israeli government have galvanised hatred against Jews with their actions in Gaza. People in the Jewish community even acknowledge this. Netanyahu has put Jews more at risk than ever. No doubt about it.

Goodness, i suspect that Jews in 1942 Europe might feel differently. Might have been a bit more risky to be Jewish then.

And what was the excuse then BTW? There was no Israel to blame when the ovens of Aushwitz were being fed with the bodies of jewish children!

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