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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:46

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 15/12/2025 13:41

So just to be clear, you are conflating the actions of a small number of radical islamist terrorists with an entire religion / culture ("we all know which group are the problem").

Yet you're apparently calling out racism.

Riiiight.

It's like any question over the treatment of Palestinians is 'supporting Hamas'. Some types of conflation are more acceptable than others it seems.

knitnerd90 · 15/12/2025 13:46

How can you possibly know that without evidence? There’s rumours about islamic
state links. yesterday it was all “don’t assume it was antisemitic” and then once it was clear it was “don’t assume it was Muslims.”

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:48

Who has done that though??? Quote the post that says these victims don't deserve sympathy (or even questions whether they do?) I have not seen it. I have seen people highlighting the context and being called anti-semitic for doing so.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 13:49

NorwegianinLondon1 · 15/12/2025 13:33

This cannot be said too many times on the thread.

Once was too many times. It's abhorrent to keep raising this issue on this thread.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:49

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:45

I think you are conflating several points here @Haemagoblin

There is a great difference between the analysis of motive (I think we all know where that went in 7/7 and where it will go here) and people introducing the subject in relation to how worthy victims are of sympathy. I don’t believe the latter happened with any frequency in relation to 7/7 and other attacks, yet with these attacks on this thread it does.

Why? Well I think OP has been proved right.

Who has done that though??? Quote the post that says these victims don't deserve sympathy (or even questions whether they do?) I have not seen it. I have seen people highlighting the context and being called anti-semitic for doing so.

ThomasinaHardy · 15/12/2025 13:51

nomas · 15/12/2025 13:33

You really think hardened terrorists would go around driving in their car with ISIS flags billowing in the breeze?

Given Albanese has said they acted alone and no evidence of link to ISIS, I think they are two anti-Semitic nut jobs would be my guess, unless further info comes to light.

Oh yes and I'm sure individuals suffering with mental health will be bandied around before long.

MaggieBsBoat · 15/12/2025 13:51

It was obscene. Is there another word than racism though? I always feel the nazi overtones when talking about Jewish people as a race. This othering of a religious and cultural group as a different race just feels very disgusting.

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 13:52

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

Oh, how fabulous.

Y'see the problem is many people aren't as sensible as you and are using the conflict in gaza as a reason to hate Jews globally.

Surely you know this, do you not watch the news at all, have you seen the pro pal 'from the river to the sea/aka death to Jews' protests?

Livelovebehappy · 15/12/2025 13:52

I think, as you can see from the poll on here OP, that the majority of us are with you on this. We have two Jewish people who work on our team, and there has been lots of love and sympathy extended to them today, because they must feel there’s no hiding place from these extremist individuals. I strongly feel the government here should be doing more to stamp out the increasing racism against Jewish communities. More intelligence services allocated to investigate the underbelly of society who are driving and spreading this hate, and strong prison sentences. Most of the UK are sickened by what’s going on and our thoughts and sympathies go out to the Australians today. Horrific.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 13:54

The posters who keep bringing up Gaza probably see themselves as deeply empathetic, caring individuals. I see you as heartless and uncaring, and frankly am appalled that you think it appropriate to attempt to justify a racist act of terror. Fifteen people were massacred yesterday, with others in hospital still.

Their crime? Being Jewish. What did a ten year old or a Holocaust survivor do to deserve this? Be born Jewish. This is absolutely anti-Semitic, with no equivocation.

That people argue it's "understandable" or "complicated" and think they've got some sort of moral high ground is sickening.

If you read this and think it's aimed at you, it probably is.

SeemaNormallyRight · 15/12/2025 13:54

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highlystrungfemale · 15/12/2025 13:56

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

But isn’t this part of the problem? Conflating the two issues? The attacks happened in Australia. Not Israel or Palestine. Why is it therefore relevant to this thread to say you don’t support the Israeli government in the same post as condemning the attacks in Australia?

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:56

IAmAHomewardBounder · 15/12/2025 13:54

The posters who keep bringing up Gaza probably see themselves as deeply empathetic, caring individuals. I see you as heartless and uncaring, and frankly am appalled that you think it appropriate to attempt to justify a racist act of terror. Fifteen people were massacred yesterday, with others in hospital still.

Their crime? Being Jewish. What did a ten year old or a Holocaust survivor do to deserve this? Be born Jewish. This is absolutely anti-Semitic, with no equivocation.

That people argue it's "understandable" or "complicated" and think they've got some sort of moral high ground is sickening.

If you read this and think it's aimed at you, it probably is.

Who are these people saying it is understandable or complicated? I have read the whole thread and not seen these posts.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 15/12/2025 13:56

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:45

No, @Nothingbutstress clearly stated "radical Islam." That's not an entire religion/culture, it's an extremist fringe.

Read the post again. They need to be more careful with their wording, at best.

"We all know which group is the problem. It isn’t Sikhs, Hindus, Jews or Christians shooting people dead, running them over in Christmas markets, blowing them up in the street" sounds very much like they are grouping all Muslims together does it not.

Would it be ok to say "We all know which group is the problem" about Jews?

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 13:57

I find it incredible thst some people are so utterly blinkered. 'I don't like Netanyahu that doesn't mean I don't lke Jews!'. Well no but so many pro pals have been brainwashed by hamas ideology and do hate Jews. So fine pat yourselves on the head that you allegedly aren't anti semitic but fgs wake up and recognise that many people are. Hence the Bondi atrocity and sadly there'll be more to come.

Nevereatcardboard · 15/12/2025 13:57

Crikeyalmighty · 15/12/2025 12:51

I feel exactly like this - I am not anti semetic , I am however at the moment totally anti the Israeli gvts behaviour, and I’m sure plenty of Jewish people are too- I’m also totally anti the original atrocities by the opposing Palestinian terrorists.- just as I’m not anti American but am at a loss to fathom out Trumps very erraticpolicies and behaviour. This does of course not excuse this dreadful attack regardless of their motives or beliefs.

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What does this have to do with Australian Jews being killed in cold blood on a beach? The gunmen didn’t stop to ask whether they supported the Israeli government or if they were Zionists. He shot them because they were Jewish.

Holluschickie · 15/12/2025 13:58

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WTF? These figures are not reassuring at all!

25milesfromhome · 15/12/2025 13:58

knitnerd90 · 15/12/2025 13:40

Well. This thread devolved into an argument about Israel. Thanks for proving the point.

(am Jewish and bloody exhausted)

Yep.

nomas · 15/12/2025 13:59

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:42

I'm sorry but people absolutely DO talk about UK foreign policy in the middle east when discussing 7/7. It was explicit in the videos left by the terrorists that they were radicalised by and moved to action by the UK's involvement in Iraq. It is a pretty major plank of any serious analysis of the incident.

People also protested in their thoudands in the streets of London about the Iraq war; did those people have 'blood on their hands' on 7/7?

I agree. There are always people on threads calling for all Muslims to denounce attacks, and when it’s pointed out that Muslim leaders have denounced the attacks, they suddenly go silent or they say the denunciation isn’t enough.

Apparently Muslims should be out proving they’re ‘not like that’. Zero consideration given to the fact that Muslims are not a monolith and have jobs to go to and families to feed.

Similarly requiring Jews to denounce Israel to be worthy of sympathy is unacceptable. We are many of us thousands of miles away from the conflict, we should be able to be reasonable.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 13:59

If people of Chinese descent were routinely being targeted by terrorists. Were being shot and stabbed, would we really see people saying "Yes, well the Chinese government is terribly oppressive you see". I don't think so.

The targeting of Jews seems to be just expected, inevitable, and endlessly explicable.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 14:00

Fully agree op

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 14:01

I also think it is highly disingenuous for people to say "why would you talk about Gaza on this TOTALLY UNRELATED thread about Bondi?" as if the post was simply about that attack, rather than a post about anti-semitism, which has increasingly been ascribed wholesale to anyone who protests against the war in Gaza. The "contextualised out of existence" remark particularly dog-whistled that those who see this attack in its context as part of increased radicalisation as a consequence of the war in Gaza are trying to justify or deny anti-semitism. It called for a response.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 14:01

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I saw your post on the other thread and couldn’t quite make out whether you were being serious or not.
Do you really think that 39% of a community group thinking women should always obey their husbands and 34% not telling the police if there was a terrorist among them is not a big deal?

Twiglets1 · 15/12/2025 14:02

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 13:34

Why does the article state this?

Counter terrorism police believe Akram and his father, Sajid, 50, had pledged allegiance to the terror group, according to the broadcaster. Two Isis flags were reportedly found in their car.

According to The Telegraph, what Albanese denied was that there was a link between the Bondi attack and recognising Palestinian statehood. They aren't reporting that he has denied any connection to ISIS. That wouldn't really make sense considering ISIS flags were found in the shooters car.

One of the Bondi Beach gunmen was investigated over suspected ties to an Islamic State terror cell six years ago.

Naveed Akram, 24, came to the attention of Australia’s spy agency in 2019 over concerns that he had been radicalised by an IS leader. However, after a six-month investigation by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), he was not deemed an “imminent threat” to the public.

Authorities believed he had pledged allegiance to IS, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported.

ASIO also had information that Naveed was linked to Isaac El Matari, an Islamic State terrorist who was jailed for seven years in 2021 over his plans to carry out terror attacks in Sydney. It was concluded that there was no “indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging in violence”, Mr Albanese said.

Investigations are continuing into the suspects’ radicalisation and any failures by police or intelligence agencies to disrupt the plot.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/15/bondi-beach-mass-shooting-latest-news/

Gloriia · 15/12/2025 14:02

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 13:59

If people of Chinese descent were routinely being targeted by terrorists. Were being shot and stabbed, would we really see people saying "Yes, well the Chinese government is terribly oppressive you see". I don't think so.

The targeting of Jews seems to be just expected, inevitable, and endlessly explicable.

This! Oh but 'I don't like the CCP it isn't a Chinese thing honest' would be rightly ripped to pieces on here.

Just say the atrocity in Bondi was horrific. That's it, we don't want to hear excuses about conflicts in other countries.

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