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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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nomas · 15/12/2025 13:29

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 13:24

Of course that's correct and that is an absolute tragedy.

However, the current Israeli government have galvanised hatred against Jews with their actions in Gaza. People in the Jewish community even acknowledge this. Netanyahu has put Jews more at risk than ever. No doubt about it.

I think that’s a bit simplistic. I understand the high feelings about I/P but decent people are able to go about their lives without looking for people to blame people in a country thousands of miles away.

It seems like an attack either designed to make Jewish people fearful and/or to make Muslim people ‘other’ in Australia.

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 13:29

The thing about antisemitism is that it’s so ingrained many people don’t recognise it. Except Jews, who are then told they’re imagining it.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:29

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 13:27

However, the current Israeli government have galvanised hatred against Jews with their actions in Gaza. People in the Jewish community even acknowledge this. Netanyahu has put Jews more at risk than ever. No doubt about it.

No, people have been delighted to use the war in Gaza, started by Hamas, as an excuse for an absolute orgy of antisemitism. Every single military action undertaken by Israel is viewed in the worst possible faith, every lie and piece of flimsy propaganda by Hamas is believed.
It's blood libel for the 21st centry, and people wilfully ignore that there is a moral and legal difference between civilian casualties of war, and civilian victims of deliberate terrorism.

Please do tell what is the good faith interpretation of the death of Hind Rajab?

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 13:32

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 13:24

We don't have bollards at Christmas markets the length and breadth of the UK and Europe because of "incels and flag-shaggers".

Nope because their terrorism is accepted. I mean how many defended burning down hotels and attempting to murder immigrants? Look at the current backlash about teaching boys not to abuse and rape girls....

It is accepted.

Nope we have had them since the IRA issues. Or are you going to say things like blowing up Manchester was not a problem?

Now why did the poster suggest all of Islam is a problem and all are terrorists when I said Islam is not a problem?

Care to answer that?

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 13:32

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:27

Yes, I'm sure the ISIS flags were just a coincidence.

Yes the article states this

Counter terrorism police believe Akram and his father, Sajid, 50, had pledged allegiance to the terror group, according to the broadcaster. Two Isis flags were reportedly found in their car.

I’m not sure why Albanese is saying something that appears contradictory.

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:32

Her name was Matilda.

1dayatatime · 15/12/2025 13:32

BadgernTheGarden · 15/12/2025 13:19

How do you know this? Are they published?

Yes it is published.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update#:~:text=Since%20March%202017%2C%20MI5%20and,beliefs%20and%20ideologies%20we%20see.

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 13:32

BackToLurk · 15/12/2025 13:29

The thing about antisemitism is that it’s so ingrained many people don’t recognise it. Except Jews, who are then told they’re imagining it.

Yes I believe this to be true

People do recognise prejudice against them. It’s often underhand but it’s picked up on but for many they demand examples and examples can at times be excused away when it’s not explicit

NorwegianinLondon1 · 15/12/2025 13:33

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

This cannot be said too many times on the thread.

nomas · 15/12/2025 13:33

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:27

Yes, I'm sure the ISIS flags were just a coincidence.

You really think hardened terrorists would go around driving in their car with ISIS flags billowing in the breeze?

Given Albanese has said they acted alone and no evidence of link to ISIS, I think they are two anti-Semitic nut jobs would be my guess, unless further info comes to light.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 13:34

nomas · 15/12/2025 13:33

You really think hardened terrorists would go around driving in their car with ISIS flags billowing in the breeze?

Given Albanese has said they acted alone and no evidence of link to ISIS, I think they are two anti-Semitic nut jobs would be my guess, unless further info comes to light.

Why does the article state this?

Counter terrorism police believe Akram and his father, Sajid, 50, had pledged allegiance to the terror group, according to the broadcaster. Two Isis flags were reportedly found in their car.

Yeswoman · 15/12/2025 13:35

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:29

Please do tell what is the good faith interpretation of the death of Hind Rajab?

i think what the poster is trying to say is that it's always ok, and never an act of terrorism, to kill Palestinians. Whether they are children or not. Just collateral damage. Even in the case of Hind. And the tens of thousands of other innocent defenceless children who were killed.

please listen to the testimonies of the surgeons who were in Gaza who witnessed toddlers being deliberately shot at

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:35

I actually think it can be said too many times @NorwegianinLondon1 and once is too many.

We don’t discuss UK foreign policy in the Middle East on threads about 7/7. While those were seen as justifications for the attackers for the majority in the UK they were not.

These killings in Bondi were racist murders of innocent people. The actions of foreign governments are not relevant.

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 13:35

NorwegianinLondon1 · 15/12/2025 13:33

This cannot be said too many times on the thread.

The point is the last sentence does not need to be said at all on this thread

it’s just not necessary and shame on those that can’t recognise this

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:38

Imagine how you would react if children and other family members were killed by 7/7 style attackers coming out of a Christmas service in church here in the UK.

Would you be adding “it’s possible to stand with these poor families while also saying the UK policy in the Middle East was wrong”. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that on any terrorism related threads on 7/7, Borough Market, Westminster Bridge.

knitnerd90 · 15/12/2025 13:40

Well. This thread devolved into an argument about Israel. Thanks for proving the point.

(am Jewish and bloody exhausted)

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 15/12/2025 13:41

Nothingbutstress · 15/12/2025 11:36

I totally agree with you OP and I think it’s disgusting that certain chants etc have been allowed at the Palestine marches. This antisemitism has been stoked and stoked by the marches.

We all know which group is the problem. It isn’t Sikhs, Hindus, Jews or Christians shooting people dead, running them over in Christmas markets, blowing them up in the street. Unfortunately people seem to want to ignore the problem until it is their child being killed by radical islamists. I also feel that the events of October 7th are far too overlooked.

So just to be clear, you are conflating the actions of a small number of radical islamist terrorists with an entire religion / culture ("we all know which group are the problem").

Yet you're apparently calling out racism.

Riiiight.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:42

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:35

I actually think it can be said too many times @NorwegianinLondon1 and once is too many.

We don’t discuss UK foreign policy in the Middle East on threads about 7/7. While those were seen as justifications for the attackers for the majority in the UK they were not.

These killings in Bondi were racist murders of innocent people. The actions of foreign governments are not relevant.

I'm sorry but people absolutely DO talk about UK foreign policy in the middle east when discussing 7/7. It was explicit in the videos left by the terrorists that they were radicalised by and moved to action by the UK's involvement in Iraq. It is a pretty major plank of any serious analysis of the incident.

People also protested in their thoudands in the streets of London about the Iraq war; did those people have 'blood on their hands' on 7/7?

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 13:44

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 13:32

Yes the article states this

Counter terrorism police believe Akram and his father, Sajid, 50, had pledged allegiance to the terror group, according to the broadcaster. Two Isis flags were reportedly found in their car.

I’m not sure why Albanese is saying something that appears contradictory.

I wouldn't believe anything that Albanese says, frankly.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:44

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 13:42

I'm sorry but people absolutely DO talk about UK foreign policy in the middle east when discussing 7/7. It was explicit in the videos left by the terrorists that they were radicalised by and moved to action by the UK's involvement in Iraq. It is a pretty major plank of any serious analysis of the incident.

People also protested in their thoudands in the streets of London about the Iraq war; did those people have 'blood on their hands' on 7/7?

No-one thinks the war in Gaza 'justifies' the killings in Bondi. Nobody (on this thread at least) have even hinted it! They have pointed out that it is unarguably part of the context in which this attack occurred, and the route of these two men to radicalisation and ultimately to committing terrorism. It's the wilful misinterpretation of this point to suggest that that ineluctable FACT is 'blaming the victims' that is disingenuous, divisive and clearly part of an agenda to render the state of Israel immune from criticism unless you want to be accused of gloating over the deaths of innocent Jews.

SomethingFun · 15/12/2025 13:45

Yeah but you don’t have to tell us about how much you hate Israel on a thread about the racism spewed out after a terror attack in Australia do you? The inability to read the fucking room or apply any introspection is appalling.

I don’t recall anyone holding the little girls murdered in Manchester by a terrorist responsible for the actions of a government on another continent because they shared a religion or a racial group? Or that you couldn’t stop thinking about dead babies in Afghanistan when Ariana was putting on a concert to raise money for the families. But you’ll do it if it’s an opportunity to virtue signal regarding Palestine - I’m absolutely sickened by the intolerance bleated by people who self describe themselves as socialist or peaceful when it comes to Jewish people.

I assume the doubling down is because you don’t really believe it’s as black and white as it is all made out to be and you’re terrified to examine your own beliefs. It’s a disgrace, it honestly is.

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 13:45

knitnerd90 · 15/12/2025 13:40

Well. This thread devolved into an argument about Israel. Thanks for proving the point.

(am Jewish and bloody exhausted)

jinx

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 13:45

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 15/12/2025 13:41

So just to be clear, you are conflating the actions of a small number of radical islamist terrorists with an entire religion / culture ("we all know which group are the problem").

Yet you're apparently calling out racism.

Riiiight.

No, @Nothingbutstress clearly stated "radical Islam." That's not an entire religion/culture, it's an extremist fringe.

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:45

I think you are conflating several points here @Haemagoblin

There is a great difference between the analysis of motive (I think we all know where that went in 7/7 and where it will go here) and people introducing the subject in relation to how worthy victims are of sympathy. I don’t believe the latter happened with any frequency in relation to 7/7 and other attacks, yet with these attacks on this thread it does.

Why? Well I think OP has been proved right.

Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 13:45

I think you are conflating several points here @Haemagoblin

There is a great difference between the analysis of motive (I think we all know where that went in 7/7 and where it will go here) and people introducing the subject in relation to how worthy victims are of sympathy. I don’t believe the latter happened with any frequency in relation to 7/7 and other attacks, yet with these attacks on this thread it does.

Why? Well I think OP has been proved right.

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