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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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Hibernatingtilspring · 06/12/2025 14:59

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:32

No I didn’t see those reports of domestic abusers rallying at the protests. I’m not denying that far right groups are involved in these protests, but neither am I saying that because another group of people are also doing bad things, it negates the fact that the migrants are a potential risk to women and children. I acknowledge that British men are also a threat to women and children, obviously, but that doesn’t mean we should just accept this unnecessary risk from migrant men.

Most of the far right leaders who support your cause are a danger to women. Not bias, but evidenced by their convictions.

dizzydizzydizzy · 06/12/2025 15:00

Seymour5 · 06/12/2025 14:48

Ashraf, who was on Question time, had actually applied for, and been refused asylum in several countries, including Austria and Germany. Yet we’ve granted it. I find it bizarre. What is so different about our decision making?

I didn’t watch Question Time and haven’t heard of this person.

But speaking generally and just guessing, I would think it is similar to losing at court, going to appeal and then winning. It’s not a black and white situation

anniegun · 06/12/2025 15:01

I dont believe refugees are illegal immigrants. There is a difference

LakieLady · 06/12/2025 15:17

HopSpringsEternal · 06/12/2025 12:15

We learnt loads from the brexit experience. Mainly that it was a shit idea that has worsened this country for the very long term. Unless of course you're very rich.
As was repeatedly pointed out at the time, this was the exact motive behind it.
Farage knew it would lead to more immigrants, and the cost of living crisis. Which of course, has been a heady mix to create further popularism and make him a very rich and increasingly powerful man. All whilst laughing at those who vote for him.

My MIL voted for Brexit and now complains about "boat people" coming over here and thinks they should be sent back. Every now and again, my restraint gives way and I point out that she voted to throw our Dublin Regulation rights down the crapper so we no longer have the right to return them to the "first safe country".

She's perfectly capable of holding two contradictory ideas at the same time though. She had a (brief) hospital stay a year or so ago and was mighty pissed off that all the ICU nurses were Filipino while simultaneously complaining that there weren't enough of them.

EasternStandard · 06/12/2025 15:20

LakieLady · 06/12/2025 15:17

My MIL voted for Brexit and now complains about "boat people" coming over here and thinks they should be sent back. Every now and again, my restraint gives way and I point out that she voted to throw our Dublin Regulation rights down the crapper so we no longer have the right to return them to the "first safe country".

She's perfectly capable of holding two contradictory ideas at the same time though. She had a (brief) hospital stay a year or so ago and was mighty pissed off that all the ICU nurses were Filipino while simultaneously complaining that there weren't enough of them.

The Dublin Regulation didn’t work to that extent anyway. Which is why no other EU country is sending people back en masse. Look at ROI.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/12/2025 15:29

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/12/2025 12:27

Hundred of thousands of “legal” Hong Kong Chinese immigrants seems to have pretty much passed without too much comment.

My anecdotal experience of Hong King nationals settling in the U.K. is they are bringing highly desirable skills with them which makes them an asset to the country and rather proves my earlier point.

It’s about a huge number of unskilled migrants entering the country illegally and claiming asylum. It’s been going on for a decade and is ramping up. The colour of skin is a red herring. I think the religion of a high percentage of these young males is far more pertinent and more of a worry for people than their skin colour.

Our culture and customs just don’t assimilate well with strict, orthodox Muslim culture and customs. That might be an uncomfortable reality but it’s a reality nonetheless.

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 15:32

Itsaknockout235 · 06/12/2025 11:05

My concern is not just the cost to the uk taxpayer and the negative impact on an already constrained housing infrastructure, but also the potentially serious security risks. With no background searches, fingerprinting or checks of whereabouts, the UK is surely a magnet for ne’er-do-wells. Who are they? No one knows. Where are they? No one knows.

Actually, I also feel for young people undercut by cheap labour. Living in a paid for hotel, receiving pocket money and then being able to earn tax-free is a kick in the face to UK young people. The equivalent YP is facing a dried up jobs market, no hope of moving out of their parents’ home, high taxes and student loan payments. You could argue the migrant doesn’t exactly have the best life, but the hardship is worth it if they save up a few thou’ that buys a house for his family back home.

I would argue it’s not the migrants per se, but the unfairness of the situation, the sense of injustice. To do the right thing yet have no hope and feel so burdened, being forced to hand over taxes and resources to the stranger, via the very government you voted for and trusted.

It’s also the deep horror of realising the establishment is willing this situation to worsen, in the name of ‘kindness’. If the establishment have their way, there are millions upon millions ready to knock on Britain’s door, eager to make their dreams of a better life come true. Who could deny the destitute stranger his chances? In reality, this sentiment, spouted by the elite and hard-wired into policy decisions, forces the most vulnerable in society to swallow the costs.

Who is getting pocket money? If your asylum accommodation provides food or more accurately in many cases ‘food’, your asylum payment is £9.95 pcw. That is for everything else. No one could possibly be envious. Without provision for food you get just under £50 pcw or a per diem of £7. For everything. And have you seen the hotels? Grim doesn’t begin to describe it.

As asylum seekers are not allowed to hold jobs, the only tax free earnings you can be talking about are from washing cars illegally, etc - pathetic earnings at best and not the kinds of jobs our YP are aspiring to.

I agree with you that our most vulnerable pay the price for the decisions of the elite, which is wrong. We desperately need more opportunities for all - from growth. But asylum seekers are just a convenient target.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 15:35

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/12/2025 15:29

My anecdotal experience of Hong King nationals settling in the U.K. is they are bringing highly desirable skills with them which makes them an asset to the country and rather proves my earlier point.

It’s about a huge number of unskilled migrants entering the country illegally and claiming asylum. It’s been going on for a decade and is ramping up. The colour of skin is a red herring. I think the religion of a high percentage of these young males is far more pertinent and more of a worry for people than their skin colour.

Our culture and customs just don’t assimilate well with strict, orthodox Muslim culture and customs. That might be an uncomfortable reality but it’s a reality nonetheless.

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And HKers are usually hard working and very well behaved.

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 15:38

Hibernatingtilspring · 06/12/2025 14:59

Most of the far right leaders who support your cause are a danger to women. Not bias, but evidenced by their convictions.

Yes, it was widely and credibly reported that about 40% of the men arrested in the Southport riots - back when it was falsely believed that the killer of the little girls was an immigrant - had Domestic Violence convictions. The rioters appeared to be mostly white British

Katemax82 · 06/12/2025 15:48

SimplyBudgie · 06/12/2025 10:18

Exactly this.

Many people's definition of illegal immigration is anyone with a brown face daring to step foot in the UK. Because they're morons.

Unless you define it, no one knows if this is what you mean op.

It means people crossing the channel on dingys for a start!!!!

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/12/2025 15:54

Ah, so you don't mean illegal immigrants at all.

You mean people legally applying for asylum.

There is no requirement that they stop in the first safe country, there are good reasons for that -they may have ties to this country already - if they did that, then some countries would be absolutely swamped and others not taking anywhere near their 'fair share' - the first country they come to might not actually be safe for them, it may be too close!

There is no way to apply for asylum here until you are here. YOu have to get here first.

The actual illegal immigrants are the people who applied for the wrong visa on purpose, ie a tourist visa when they had no intention of going home, or a dodgy student visa, and the people who did originally intend to go home and then ... didn't, but did not do the right thing in order to stay legitimately.

Those are (broad generalisation coming, seat belts please) the people in your local cheap takeaway, your convenient carwash, your little local nailbar etc...

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 15:57

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:32

No I didn’t see those reports of domestic abusers rallying at the protests. I’m not denying that far right groups are involved in these protests, but neither am I saying that because another group of people are also doing bad things, it negates the fact that the migrants are a potential risk to women and children. I acknowledge that British men are also a threat to women and children, obviously, but that doesn’t mean we should just accept this unnecessary risk from migrant men.

We accept risk all the time in the course of a greater good.

I am strongly pro vaccine, but it is true that there is a (very, very) small risk of harm.

Planes, trains and automobiles kill, but we accept that risk for the convenience they provide. Etc

More compellingly, I am immensely grateful to the Western aid workers in Gaza, Sudan and the world’s other crisis spots. Not only are they doing invaluable work at great personal risk , but in so doing enhance the reputation of the West and, indirectly, our own security. Pulling up the drawbridges does the opposite.

Of course we need to apply common sense to minimise the possibility of harm to women and girls. That isn’t to say the risk will be nil, any more than it will be from transport. Or from our fathers, brothers, teachers and partners.

Boomer55 · 06/12/2025 15:59

Having received next year’s code today, I’d like a lot of things to stop. 🤬

Parker231 · 06/12/2025 16:07

Katemax82 · 06/12/2025 15:48

It means people crossing the channel on dingys for a start!!!!

You have to be in the uk to apply for asylum, hence them making the dangerous crossing. They will only become illegal if their application is refused and they don’t leave the country.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 16:09

Parker231 · 06/12/2025 16:07

You have to be in the uk to apply for asylum, hence them making the dangerous crossing. They will only become illegal if their application is refused and they don’t leave the country.

They aren't entering legally through a port are they? They don't have their passport and visa to show border patrol? Shock horror they are fleeing France.

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 16:11

Seeking asylum isn’t illegal.

Illegal immigrants are ones whose permission to be here has expired.

Are they who you mean ?

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 16:11

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 16:09

They aren't entering legally through a port are they? They don't have their passport and visa to show border patrol? Shock horror they are fleeing France.

How do you do that if you have no papers ?

Parker231 · 06/12/2025 16:13

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 16:09

They aren't entering legally through a port are they? They don't have their passport and visa to show border patrol? Shock horror they are fleeing France.

They don’t have to apply for asylum in France, they are entitled to apply in any country. What’s your proposal to resolve the problem?

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 16:18

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 16:11

Seeking asylum isn’t illegal.

Illegal immigrants are ones whose permission to be here has expired.

Are they who you mean ?

Yes the boat men are included when I say illegal immigrant. It is the number of men, the way they are coming here, the huge cost to us, the fact they could be a risk to the public and are allowed to wander the streets on their own, which is why people are really pissed off. The results of the poll so far, (and on mumsnet rather than The Sun or Daily Mail forum!) gives me hope that we haven’t all gone completely mad

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/12/2025 16:23

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 16:11

Seeking asylum isn’t illegal.

Illegal immigrants are ones whose permission to be here has expired.

Are they who you mean ?

We are absolutely useless at deporting people who have been refused right to remain. So yes, those people for sure.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/12/2025 16:24

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 16:18

Yes the boat men are included when I say illegal immigrant. It is the number of men, the way they are coming here, the huge cost to us, the fact they could be a risk to the public and are allowed to wander the streets on their own, which is why people are really pissed off. The results of the poll so far, (and on mumsnet rather than The Sun or Daily Mail forum!) gives me hope that we haven’t all gone completely mad

Just wait till people get their next chance to vote.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 16:24

Parker231 · 06/12/2025 16:13

They don’t have to apply for asylum in France, they are entitled to apply in any country. What’s your proposal to resolve the problem?

What's so bad about France or the whole of Europe?

I just don't want them here. And I understand why many other countries don't want them as well.

TheSmallAssassin · 06/12/2025 16:25

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:46

Reading that back I agree I wasn’t very clear. I meant that out of the tens of thousands of men here, if it were just a handful of them who were raping and sexually abusing girls. I know that it’s not tens of thousands of them attacking women. I’m also aware of the reality in terms of who is most likely to assault you etc. my argument is that we shouldn’t accept any additional unnecessary risk. Think of the people who have been murdered by these migrants. They would still be alive if the migrants weren’t here. To me, I don’t think we should sacrifice them or any other British person (or foreign person who is here legally) for the sake of allowing the migrants here simply because it’s their preference in terms of where they live. Their needs should not be put above ours

And some of the people who have found asylum here would be dead if they hadn't escaped their country of origin. Why should they be denied safety because of the actions of a tiny minority? Every life is valuable.

Parker231 · 06/12/2025 16:25

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 16:24

What's so bad about France or the whole of Europe?

I just don't want them here. And I understand why many other countries don't want them as well.

Who are “them”

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