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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 13:57

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 13:49

I know people from the EU who have moved here to work. I met a young German chap at dinner who is on a secondment to his firm's London office.

Met countless Australians who have moved from Australia to London. Many of them live in Clapham.

Well that’s alright then 😂 have a look at some stats

BlueJuniper94 · 06/12/2025 13:57

Soontobe60 · 06/12/2025 13:54

Define ‘illegal immigration’ then I might vote.

I think you could just say "migration" and the poll would be much the same

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:08

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 13:39

Nowhere! It’s a lie! Please feel free to ignore the entire post now.

Universities are collapsing because of a lack of international students. Why is that? When I went to uni, there weren't that many internationals and the university was fine. I've nothing against international student but do you not think the lack of money is the Dean etc of the uni now getting a salary of £150k, when they didn't before ?

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 06/12/2025 14:12

GentleOlive · 06/12/2025 10:19

Most rational people do. But these boards are not representative of rational voting public. You’ll mostly get the self proclaimed kind ones on here making obtuse arguments about why they don’t. But then they should be ignored because they struggle to read the room and learned nothing from the Brexit experience.

Oh, we all learned a lot from the Brexit experience, mainly that the majority of the British public are far too easily influenced by racist grifters. All the flag waving and openly racist comments on social media recently just shows it’s happening again.

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 14:15

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:08

Universities are collapsing because of a lack of international students. Why is that? When I went to uni, there weren't that many internationals and the university was fine. I've nothing against international student but do you not think the lack of money is the Dean etc of the uni now getting a salary of £150k, when they didn't before ?

It’s a very long and complex story 😂 international students have been subsidising home students for decades, for a long time fees have been frozen at c£9k and this now means nearly every course is loss making with a home student.

universities stayed afloat with international students - bachelor and masters

EU students reduced drastically in number post brexit, then to reduce immigration the government seriously tightened up international student visas.

this is very well documented, loads of information out there about it.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:19

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 13:42

Do you think women and girls are safe from the ones shouting at hotels?

Generally speaking, yes. I haven’t heard any news about protesters attacking young women and girls

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DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 14:23

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:19

Generally speaking, yes. I haven’t heard any news about protesters attacking young women and girls

You missed the reports then, plenty of domestic abusers amongst them and not to mention their far right links.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:24

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 13:57

My dd is young and beautiful. She volunteered with asylum seekers where we live during her gap year, and she now volunteers with them at university. She must have met hundreds of male migrants.

If you asked her whether she feels safe around them, she would assure you that she has never been treated with anything other than respect and courtesy, and yes, she does feel safe.

I'm not denying that there have been some incidents and assaults. Sadly, some men of all ethnicities are sexual predators. However, it simply isn't right to suggest that the majority of asylum seekers represent a risk to women and girls.

Perhaps you should consider that the people posting videos online of girls being followed and harassed by migrants might just have their own agenda that actually has fuck all to do with the safety of women and girls.

If it were just a handful out of tens of thousands of these men raping and sexually assaulting women and girls I would still say it’s better not to take the risk at all. That’s still a handful of women and girls whose lives would not have been destroyed if those men weren’t here in the first place

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LakieLady · 06/12/2025 14:31

EasternStandard · 06/12/2025 11:55

Well that’s a typical answer there. Your post very much focused on the personal against the op and highlighted the ambition of someone arriving as a contrast.

If you really don’t want to offer charity how about a yes to barracks nearby?

I'd bloody love it if they opened an asylum seeker accommodation centre near me. It would outrage all the same snooty and racist neighbours who were shocked when a Rwandan couple moved into the area.

I suspect a fair few locals would feel the same, tbh, we have a very active refugee support group here, also a flourishing Stand Up To Racism group.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:32

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 14:23

You missed the reports then, plenty of domestic abusers amongst them and not to mention their far right links.

No I didn’t see those reports of domestic abusers rallying at the protests. I’m not denying that far right groups are involved in these protests, but neither am I saying that because another group of people are also doing bad things, it negates the fact that the migrants are a potential risk to women and children. I acknowledge that British men are also a threat to women and children, obviously, but that doesn’t mean we should just accept this unnecessary risk from migrant men.

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Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 14:37

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:24

If it were just a handful out of tens of thousands of these men raping and sexually assaulting women and girls I would still say it’s better not to take the risk at all. That’s still a handful of women and girls whose lives would not have been destroyed if those men weren’t here in the first place

Do you a source of these 10s of thousands of men raping and sexually assaulting women and girls.

the stats still say it’s white men and usually known to the women or girls

StripyHorse · 06/12/2025 14:37

Do I want processes so people can claim asylum and travel safely? Yes

Do I think we should support people when they are in danger in their home countries? Of course.

Do I think claims should be processed more quickly? Yes.
This would mean those with a genuine claim can start to work, join the community and build their new lives rather than being held in limbo. It would also mean illegal immigrants (those without a genuine claim) could be returned to their home country.

As a country that supplies / sells arms to other countries we have a duty to those who have been placed in danger by these actions. Increasingly, we will have the same responsibility for those displaced because of climate change.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 14:38

Hedgehogbrown · 06/12/2025 13:10

It's not that I want it to happen, it is just such a small percentage of overall immigration that it doesn't bother me and I don't care. People ho fixate on it when it's such a small percentage of overall migration are probably fixating because they are racist and ignorant. I am British and can't live in my own Country because the Spouse Visa rules are too strict. He has a German passport FFS. I care more about that, and my British child not seeing his British family. The only reason the Government won't soften the rules on this is because they think the public are too racist to accept any change in the law on this, because of people posting about being annoyed about immigration.

Can't he come and visit on visa free short stays? Do you really not earn £29k between the both of you?

LakieLady · 06/12/2025 14:41

People who are actually trying to pull one over by doing things like throwing away their documents to be dealt with quickly and sent away.

When my Kurdish friend fled her home country (after being imprisoned and tortured for two weeks for speaking out about her govt's persecution of Kurdish people), she threw her passport away early on in her journey for fear of that govt being alerted to her whereabouts.

As she'd been imprisoned and tortured repeatedly for more than 2 weeks, she wasn't at all keen on the idea of being sent back for more. I think that's quite understandable.

singmoon · 06/12/2025 14:43

Id like to live in a world where people don't have to leave everyone and everything they love for a safer better life.

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 14:44

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:32

No I didn’t see those reports of domestic abusers rallying at the protests. I’m not denying that far right groups are involved in these protests, but neither am I saying that because another group of people are also doing bad things, it negates the fact that the migrants are a potential risk to women and children. I acknowledge that British men are also a threat to women and children, obviously, but that doesn’t mean we should just accept this unnecessary risk from migrant men.

Migrant women and children are acceptable to you then?

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not sexual abuse women and girls, neither do they commit crimes.

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:45

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 14:15

It’s a very long and complex story 😂 international students have been subsidising home students for decades, for a long time fees have been frozen at c£9k and this now means nearly every course is loss making with a home student.

universities stayed afloat with international students - bachelor and masters

EU students reduced drastically in number post brexit, then to reduce immigration the government seriously tightened up international student visas.

this is very well documented, loads of information out there about it.

Im soooo old I had a grant so I guess I mean that long ago, uni's were Ok. Then all the loan nonsense started and they became businesses with the huge inflated salaries to match.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 14:46

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 14:37

Do you a source of these 10s of thousands of men raping and sexually assaulting women and girls.

the stats still say it’s white men and usually known to the women or girls

Reading that back I agree I wasn’t very clear. I meant that out of the tens of thousands of men here, if it were just a handful of them who were raping and sexually abusing girls. I know that it’s not tens of thousands of them attacking women. I’m also aware of the reality in terms of who is most likely to assault you etc. my argument is that we shouldn’t accept any additional unnecessary risk. Think of the people who have been murdered by these migrants. They would still be alive if the migrants weren’t here. To me, I don’t think we should sacrifice them or any other British person (or foreign person who is here legally) for the sake of allowing the migrants here simply because it’s their preference in terms of where they live. Their needs should not be put above ours

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Seymour5 · 06/12/2025 14:48

dizzydizzydizzy · 06/12/2025 12:31

Agree with this.

As for tbe point of going through another safe country but choosing to come to the UK - reasons might include having family already in the UK, being able to speak English but not French, German etc, having qualifications that are recognised in the UK but not in the safe country you arrived in, having skills that are in demand on the UK,, already a large community from the person's country with a good support network for new arrivals.

Ashraf, who was on Question time, had actually applied for, and been refused asylum in several countries, including Austria and Germany. Yet we’ve granted it. I find it bizarre. What is so different about our decision making?

EasternStandard · 06/12/2025 14:49

LakieLady · 06/12/2025 14:31

I'd bloody love it if they opened an asylum seeker accommodation centre near me. It would outrage all the same snooty and racist neighbours who were shocked when a Rwandan couple moved into the area.

I suspect a fair few locals would feel the same, tbh, we have a very active refugee support group here, also a flourishing Stand Up To Racism group.

Labour should take you up on that. They have problems elsewhere so if there’s a place that would bloody love it they should utilise that.

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 14:52

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:45

Im soooo old I had a grant so I guess I mean that long ago, uni's were Ok. Then all the loan nonsense started and they became businesses with the huge inflated salaries to match.

Yeah no wonder there were no international students when you went to uni … 😂😂 didn’t it occur to you you might be a bit out of touch with how they worked?!

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 14:52

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:45

Im soooo old I had a grant so I guess I mean that long ago, uni's were Ok. Then all the loan nonsense started and they became businesses with the huge inflated salaries to match.

Yeah no wonder there were no international students when you went to uni … 😂😂 didn’t it occur to you you might be a bit out of touch with how they worked?!

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 06/12/2025 14:56

Being put up at hotels arguments always make me laugh.

Do you think they are staying at hotels like you do on your holidays? That they have their room cleaned and mini bar filled every morning? A full staff putting on a full English every morning and a 3 course meal option on the menu? Maybe a man on a piano in the corner of the bar for ambiance?

No, some hotelier who couldn't make a profit gets paid a fortune for each person who is crammed into a room. They get a subsidy for food because people need to eat and if you are against the general principle of everyone having access to food you are scum. They try to learn English, protesters show up, they try to work, they are shot down. They do what they need to while people discuss them without actually coming up with solutions to help them.

Because our governments can help them AND look after all the other vulnerable groups in society.

Also ask yourself what protesting and ranting on Facebook are you doing about serial assaults that were perpetrated by non migrants. If your answer is 0, then maybe your concern isnt actually about women and children.

To answer your vote, controlled regulated legal migration is the answer. Migration is happening now, it's not going to stop, no point closing the door after the horse and all that so let's figure it out.

Catwalking · 06/12/2025 14:57

TheSmallAssassin · 06/12/2025 10:15

I don't think it's as easy as that. I would like us to take our fair share of refugees and have some safe, legal routes to asylum in place again.

How are you defining illegal immigration? Anywhere from 45 - 70% of people who arrive irregularly are granted asylum.

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There are too many people in this country already, less than half the food we require is produced here!
How can you possibly think there ought to be more? Even now there are houses being thrown up on farmland so making production capability even lower!

Cheese55 · 06/12/2025 14:57

Bambamhoohoo · 06/12/2025 14:52

Yeah no wonder there were no international students when you went to uni … 😂😂 didn’t it occur to you you might be a bit out of touch with how they worked?!

Very probable !but I do have family that work in the local one and the prevaling opinion is that it was better when state funded and not trying to make profit.

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