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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 2025-12-06T10:12:54+00:00

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that. Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows. YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue. YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:21

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 15:14

So let them apply for asylum or their home country will attack us?

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Baffling.

We had 9/11, perpetrated by Saudis the US used to fund until they had drama.

In retaliation the US and a bunch of other countries attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, eventually causing the blowback to extend into Syria and terrorism on British soil.

After 20 years of war against countries who didn’t “do 9/11” resulting hundreds of thousands of dead Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian and other civilians, after botched “regime change”, after the theft of natural resources and industries from those countries, we wonder why we have their citizens fleeing their shattered countries, handed back to vicious local regimes now knocking on our doors asking for our help ?

Facing this reality - which we contributed to causing - is what we are OBLIGED to do - not just by treaty - but by MORALITY.

So you isolationists wanting to leave global institutions, conventions, and legal processes - you want to hide from our moral obligations.

How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror and not feel appalled by your selfishness and weakness ?

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:29

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:18

Steady on....
Please quote evidence of me swallowing the 'bullshit pill' ?
Where have I deflected and asked for 'stupid population limits?'
In what way am I running away?
When did I call for 'Libya style isolationism?'

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You were extremely dismissive of my explanation of why the immigrant issue is being forced into the discourse by vested interests. That tells me you’re willing to swallow their easy “forrins done it” bullshit explanation for why you’re being exploited and stolen from.

Others have declared they want us to have become the moral vacuum that is Libya with regard to our international obligations.

Others are screaming for me to give them “a number” which is an upper limit for our population, either knowing that’s a totally fallacious premise leading to “the camps” eventually, or just inanely repeating some halfwit argument they’ve read in their online rightwing grief-bubbles.

nomoreforks · 09/12/2025 15:37

The voting shows that most people want immigration to fall (Brexit and rise in poularity of Reform). Labour need to reduce immigration significantly or Reform will get in. It's a very tough thing to do though and it would mean being horrible (like Australia are to asylum seekers) which I don't think I would be able to do.

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:38

You say I was extremely dismissive of your very dramatic language. Presumably telling me I've swallowed the 'forrins done it' bullshit (whatever that means) is perfectly acceptable? Not dismissive at all.

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 15:38

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 15:04

PP want to stop assessments.

It’s not me you need to discuss this with, but the Supreme Court who ruled against the Rwanda Scheme. Also people might ask themselves why other, safer countries are not coming forward to offer the UK something similar.

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And then Sunak passed the law to deem rwanda legally safe and that courts had to accept it.

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:41

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:38

You say I was extremely dismissive of your very dramatic language. Presumably telling me I've swallowed the 'forrins done it' bullshit (whatever that means) is perfectly acceptable? Not dismissive at all.

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Yet more “old writhing, squirming, triggering, screaming twaddle” from you.

5MinuteArgument · 09/12/2025 15:42

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:56

A major incident such as 9/11 would make everything that’s happened so far seem like nothing

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So we need to accept people into our country in case the people from those countries get upset and decide to launch a 9/11 style attack on us.

Great.

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:45

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:41

Yet more “old writhing, squirming, triggering, screaming twaddle” from you.

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OK - through your well reasoned arguments and calm approach, you've won me over 👏

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 15:45

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:21

Baffling.

We had 9/11, perpetrated by Saudis the US used to fund until they had drama.

In retaliation the US and a bunch of other countries attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, eventually causing the blowback to extend into Syria and terrorism on British soil.

After 20 years of war against countries who didn’t “do 9/11” resulting hundreds of thousands of dead Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian and other civilians, after botched “regime change”, after the theft of natural resources and industries from those countries, we wonder why we have their citizens fleeing their shattered countries, handed back to vicious local regimes now knocking on our doors asking for our help ?

Facing this reality - which we contributed to causing - is what we are OBLIGED to do - not just by treaty - but by MORALITY.

So you isolationists wanting to leave global institutions, conventions, and legal processes - you want to hide from our moral obligations.

How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror and not feel appalled by your selfishness and weakness ?

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So because governments and the elite made really horrible foreign policy decisions the local average citizen needs to accept a bunch loads of migrants in? A few girls need to accept getting r*ped to pay for the sins of the elite?

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:50

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:45

OK - through your well reasoned arguments and calm approach, you've won me over 👏

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At least I provided some attempt to dig into the issues at play.

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:54

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:50

At least I provided some attempt to dig into the issues at play.

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Indeed, never let it be said that you don't listen to other people's POV without resorting to insults.

5MinuteArgument · 09/12/2025 15:55

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:21

Baffling.

We had 9/11, perpetrated by Saudis the US used to fund until they had drama.

In retaliation the US and a bunch of other countries attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, eventually causing the blowback to extend into Syria and terrorism on British soil.

After 20 years of war against countries who didn’t “do 9/11” resulting hundreds of thousands of dead Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian and other civilians, after botched “regime change”, after the theft of natural resources and industries from those countries, we wonder why we have their citizens fleeing their shattered countries, handed back to vicious local regimes now knocking on our doors asking for our help ?

Facing this reality - which we contributed to causing - is what we are OBLIGED to do - not just by treaty - but by MORALITY.

So you isolationists wanting to leave global institutions, conventions, and legal processes - you want to hide from our moral obligations.

How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror and not feel appalled by your selfishness and weakness ?

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Our moral obligation is to protect our own people and protect our borders. We need to to set up off shore processing, like Australia.

We can help other countries with our foreign aid budget. But to accept thousands of undocumented males, resentful because we 'meddled' in their home counties, is completely crazy.

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 16:00

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:21

Baffling.

We had 9/11, perpetrated by Saudis the US used to fund until they had drama.

In retaliation the US and a bunch of other countries attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, eventually causing the blowback to extend into Syria and terrorism on British soil.

After 20 years of war against countries who didn’t “do 9/11” resulting hundreds of thousands of dead Afghan, Iraqi, Syrian and other civilians, after botched “regime change”, after the theft of natural resources and industries from those countries, we wonder why we have their citizens fleeing their shattered countries, handed back to vicious local regimes now knocking on our doors asking for our help ?

Facing this reality - which we contributed to causing - is what we are OBLIGED to do - not just by treaty - but by MORALITY.

So you isolationists wanting to leave global institutions, conventions, and legal processes - you want to hide from our moral obligations.

How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror and not feel appalled by your selfishness and weakness ?

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another wonderful argument. It’s your fault the world is so shit, so let the foreign men in, don’t care if they rape you and support them with your hard earned tax money.

yeah. at least you admit it’s supposed to be a punishment and a burden. they aren’t here to do anything useful mind

CatFatigue · 09/12/2025 16:14

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 14:36

I have answered that dumb question because that’s a question which cannot be answered and is deployed to distract and reduce to the absurd.

Xenophobes will say that number is “it’s the current population MINUS THE FORRINS” because they’re single-issue simpletons who literally see everything as a migrant issue.

Focusing solely on migrants easily distracts from the real causes of our problems which I outlined in some detail further above.

It looks like my clear explanation has triggered the ones who blame foreigners because now we’re screaming “rape” and calling for answers to stupid questions about setting upper limits to population sizes.

These are well-known squirms of those who want to drive the anti-migrant narratives so we don’t notice the real truth behind it.

This informs me that those now writhing and trying to bring their shock value claims about migrants back into the centre of this discussion are:

a) People who are gullible enough to believe the bullshit excuses oligarchs have fed them via their Arron Banks and co backed Reform / Farage / Tice / “Tommy” puppets

b) People actually employed to spread disinformation by the oligarchs and puppets I listed under a)

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I really hope you're lobbying your mp to take more asylum seekers into your local area. Please please do. You can't put a number on the figure, so I'm sure you'd be happy to take the majority. Get your neighbours on board and make the push for hundreds of hmos in your residential streets. The rest of us can carry on with being ' ignorant, bigoted and stupid'. Everyone's a winner.

Catwalking · 09/12/2025 16:19

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 12:08

A paid for hotel hahahaha you wouldn’t put a dog in and the meals given are sub par oh and yeah pocket money of £9.95 a week for everything else.

they can’t work when going through due process either.

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So explain why, they return or try again after failed crossings, multiple times?

MorningActivity · 09/12/2025 16:31

Catwalking · 09/12/2025 16:19

So explain why, they return or try again after failed crossings, multiple times?

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Because if the language
Because if shared history
because they already know some people in the U.K. - doesn’t have to be family.
because of the ‘clout’ the U.K. has (which was totally true 10~15 years ago. Now I’m not so sure)
Because theyre traumatised people, you can’t expect them to always react rationally or the way YOU, with all the privileges you have from living in a safe and rich country, would think.

If I wanted to go somewhere just for a cushy lifestyle, I wouldn’t chose the U.K.
whether it’s for immigration or asylum seekers.
Saying that as an EU citizen who came here 30 years ago to get married to a Brit btw. As far as quality of life go, other counties are better. That’s why doctors fir example are immigrating themselves from the U.K. to Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc…..

MorningActivity · 09/12/2025 16:36

CatFatigue · 09/12/2025 16:14

I really hope you're lobbying your mp to take more asylum seekers into your local area. Please please do. You can't put a number on the figure, so I'm sure you'd be happy to take the majority. Get your neighbours on board and make the push for hundreds of hmos in your residential streets. The rest of us can carry on with being ' ignorant, bigoted and stupid'. Everyone's a winner.

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Asylum seekers are a very small numbers.
i imagine you’re talking about LEGAL immigrants like doctors, nurses etc…?

Im wondering, when walking down the street, how you’ll be able to make the difference between recently arrived immigrants, those who’ve been there since the 1960s and came a British citizens, the second generation etc….

And why do you assume immigrants = HMO?
Is there no white, British people living HMO?
I don’t know about you, but I know many. Esp new graduates that are working but can’t afford better. Or in London.

These questions just show your preconceived ideas on what an immigrant is.
Brown, look skilled, living in poverty or not a lot.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 16:40

MorningActivity · 09/12/2025 16:31

Because if the language
Because if shared history
because they already know some people in the U.K. - doesn’t have to be family.
because of the ‘clout’ the U.K. has (which was totally true 10~15 years ago. Now I’m not so sure)
Because theyre traumatised people, you can’t expect them to always react rationally or the way YOU, with all the privileges you have from living in a safe and rich country, would think.

If I wanted to go somewhere just for a cushy lifestyle, I wouldn’t chose the U.K.
whether it’s for immigration or asylum seekers.
Saying that as an EU citizen who came here 30 years ago to get married to a Brit btw. As far as quality of life go, other counties are better. That’s why doctors fir example are immigrating themselves from the U.K. to Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc…..

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Where would you choose over the UK for asylum in particular?

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 16:45

MorningActivity · 09/12/2025 16:31

Because if the language
Because if shared history
because they already know some people in the U.K. - doesn’t have to be family.
because of the ‘clout’ the U.K. has (which was totally true 10~15 years ago. Now I’m not so sure)
Because theyre traumatised people, you can’t expect them to always react rationally or the way YOU, with all the privileges you have from living in a safe and rich country, would think.

If I wanted to go somewhere just for a cushy lifestyle, I wouldn’t chose the U.K.
whether it’s for immigration or asylum seekers.
Saying that as an EU citizen who came here 30 years ago to get married to a Brit btw. As far as quality of life go, other counties are better. That’s why doctors fir example are immigrating themselves from the U.K. to Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc…..

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Ok?

CatFatigue · 09/12/2025 16:48

MorningActivity · 09/12/2025 16:36

Asylum seekers are a very small numbers.
i imagine you’re talking about LEGAL immigrants like doctors, nurses etc…?

Im wondering, when walking down the street, how you’ll be able to make the difference between recently arrived immigrants, those who’ve been there since the 1960s and came a British citizens, the second generation etc….

And why do you assume immigrants = HMO?
Is there no white, British people living HMO?
I don’t know about you, but I know many. Esp new graduates that are working but can’t afford better. Or in London.

These questions just show your preconceived ideas on what an immigrant is.
Brown, look skilled, living in poverty or not a lot.

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Comprehension not your forte? My post specifically refers to asylum seekers. you're welcome. Why you would want to shoehorn your very emotive post on legal migration into the conversation is anyone's guess. 😀

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 16:52

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 15:19

Legislation overruled that, are you aware of that stage?

I think we’re similar to Aus and most people don’t want crossings. If we had the same people wouldn’t vote it out. The yanbu vote shows a majority on here.

It becomes basic gov border control, a few oppose but the electorate think it’s better on a bi partisan basis.

Canada was mentioned below I’d say even if some argue for asylum crossings most wouldn’t overturn the agreement with the US.

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Sure, but HMG has not yet proposed a replacement for the Rwanda Scheme. I have just been looking at the asylum policy document of 21 Nov and the third party country involvement proposed concerns the disposition of refused asylum seekers.

Parliament is formally sovereign but the Supreme Court can block actions taken in the enactment of laws. Could this be why no replacement for Rwanda has been planned?

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 17:13

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 16:52

Sure, but HMG has not yet proposed a replacement for the Rwanda Scheme. I have just been looking at the asylum policy document of 21 Nov and the third party country involvement proposed concerns the disposition of refused asylum seekers.

Parliament is formally sovereign but the Supreme Court can block actions taken in the enactment of laws. Could this be why no replacement for Rwanda has been planned?

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Labour scrapped it just as it was about to happen.

IvyOrangesCandles · 09/12/2025 17:20

@OmNomShiva

There was a very good documentary America the world's police looking into this stuff.

For instance when sadam gassed the Kurds for some reason the USA came under a lot of criticism doing nothing.

I see two more Afghans have been charged today with sexual assault
I want to know what safe guarding checks there are for us and how that's balanced with their claims for assukym

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 09/12/2025 17:36

Catwalking · 09/12/2025 16:19

So explain why, they return or try again after failed crossings, multiple times?

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how can they leave mmm

they don’t do that they stay till they are given the right to remain as they can’t legally leave

Clavinova · 09/12/2025 17:38

Alexandra2001 · 08/12/2025 16:10

TBF, i ve often wondered this, i had no issues at all with EU migration, as EU boosts their own economies, EU workers tend to go back home, sure some 5m applied for settled status but they didn't really, many were multiple applications and often made when they'd already gone back.... or planned too.

But since Brexit, its SE Asian and African workers coming here, big families, will never return.

We voted for this, Boris & Sunak et al have just done what we wanted.

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sure some 5m applied for settled status but they didn't really, many were multiple applications

Some stats here:

Feb 2025 GOV UK
As of 31 December 2024, there have been 8.4 million EUSS applications made since the scheme was launched on 28 August 2018. These applications relate to 6.3 million people (some people will have multiple applications). Of these, 5.7 million people currently hold a grant of status through the scheme (4.1 million settled status and 1.7 million pre-settled status).

since Brexit, its SE Asian and African workers coming here

^April 2023^
... during the UK’s membership of the EU freedom of movement was a major driver of immigration to the UK of people born outside of the EU.

There are roughly one million people living in the UK under EU freedom of movement rules, who were born outside of the EU [including over 400,000 non-EEA family members] ...

Continent of birth
Africa 245,770
Asia 392,128
Americas 182,066
Europe (excluding EU/EFTA) 160,945 ...
...
There are large communities of EU nationals born in India living in Leicester and Outer West London. Nearly half of all EU nationals born in Pakistan live in the North West...

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/diversity-eu-national-population-uk/