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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:44

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 13:41

Change the law to say they aren't entitled. If they arrive send them back to country of origin.

Not to assess is to stop offering asylum.

This violates our commitment to international law. Also, as @OmNomShiva says, the only country with no asylum programme is Libya and we really don’t want to emulate Libya.

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:45

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:34

People like you say ‘all men are bad’. But actually, origin matters. European crime statistics are very clear on this, you cannot expect Britain to be any different.

So again. Was the gangrape of a child worth your ‘international obligations’?

Are you even a feminist? Because it seems you care more about the rights of foreign men over the safety of local girls.

Denmark and Sweden show that per capita wise the foreign born are worse. Vastly so.

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:46

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:44

Not to assess is to stop offering asylum.

This violates our commitment to international law. Also, as @OmNomShiva says, the only country with no asylum programme is Libya and we really don’t want to emulate Libya.

We can just withdraw from any treaties and conventions forcing us to do so. It's not in our national interest and doesn't benefit us.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 14:46

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:44

Not to assess is to stop offering asylum.

This violates our commitment to international law. Also, as @OmNomShiva says, the only country with no asylum programme is Libya and we really don’t want to emulate Libya.

You don’t have to allow entry. It doesn’t have to mean Libya.

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:46

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:44

Not to assess is to stop offering asylum.

This violates our commitment to international law. Also, as @OmNomShiva says, the only country with no asylum programme is Libya and we really don’t want to emulate Libya.

oh no! not ur international obligations!!!!

(who fucking cares)

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:49

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:46

oh no! not ur international obligations!!!!

(who fucking cares)

America (rightly or wrongly) left the Paris climate accords. So it is possible just to leave something that isn't benefiting us. Life's drastically changed since the 1960s

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:50

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:46

We can just withdraw from any treaties and conventions forcing us to do so. It's not in our national interest and doesn't benefit us.

Being seen to have the same human rights standards as Libya doesn’t benefit us either. It would make us a special target for fanatics, as a rich, non-Muslim nation that could be so cruel.

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:51

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 14:46

You don’t have to allow entry. It doesn’t have to mean Libya.

PP suggested to stop assessing.

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:52

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:50

Being seen to have the same human rights standards as Libya doesn’t benefit us either. It would make us a special target for fanatics, as a rich, non-Muslim nation that could be so cruel.

so instead local girls will just have to risk gangrape so you can feel virtuous.

NoisyViewer · 09/12/2025 14:52

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 13:06

Can you say more on how that is working for countries still in the EU?

Are there any issues with migration in ROI, Germany for example

Exactly. Ireland has had the demographic of villages changed overnight where the locals have become the Minority. The eu are in the same place we are

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 14:52

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:50

Being seen to have the same human rights standards as Libya doesn’t benefit us either. It would make us a special target for fanatics, as a rich, non-Muslim nation that could be so cruel.

How many people arrive at the Aus shore to claim asylum and is it Libya?

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:52

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:50

Being seen to have the same human rights standards as Libya doesn’t benefit us either. It would make us a special target for fanatics, as a rich, non-Muslim nation that could be so cruel.

I do not care. The lives and welfare of British citizens come first.

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:56

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:52

I do not care. The lives and welfare of British citizens come first.

A major incident such as 9/11 would make everything that’s happened so far seem like nothing

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:56

PS I lived in America then. If you did not, it is difficult to imagine

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:57

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:56

A major incident such as 9/11 would make everything that’s happened so far seem like nothing

not a great sell, i have to say. let these unvetted people in your country or someone might do something bad to you. do you hear yourself?

Parker231 · 09/12/2025 14:59

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:49

America (rightly or wrongly) left the Paris climate accords. So it is possible just to leave something that isn't benefiting us. Life's drastically changed since the 1960s

If the UK left the EUHR, what about the impact on the GFA?

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 15:01

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:57

not a great sell, i have to say. let these unvetted people in your country or someone might do something bad to you. do you hear yourself?

Why do you think governments of all parties are not just clamping down as simplistically as you suggest? Defence of the realm the people and protection is the top priority of any government.

I believe that if HMG thought it would protect us in the long term they might have second thoughts about the treaty. But they are thinking about the big picture

HoneyParsnipSoup · 09/12/2025 15:01

Parker231 · 09/12/2025 14:59

If the UK left the EUHR, what about the impact on the GFA?

I would suggest we legislate to incorporate the ECHR into the GFA, so it applies to the Act alone.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 15:04

StrawberryShieldsForever · 09/12/2025 14:57

not a great sell, i have to say. let these unvetted people in your country or someone might do something bad to you. do you hear yourself?

Yes that’s bizarre. Let people in so we don’t have 9/11.

It’s an argument to have better border control.

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 15:04

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 14:52

How many people arrive at the Aus shore to claim asylum and is it Libya?

PP want to stop assessments.

It’s not me you need to discuss this with, but the Supreme Court who ruled against the Rwanda Scheme. Also people might ask themselves why other, safer countries are not coming forward to offer the UK something similar.

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:05

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 14:45

Denmark and Sweden show that per capita wise the foreign born are worse. Vastly so.

Would appreciate you sharing the sources, to help me understand that perspective.

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:12

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 14:40

What a load of old writhing, squirming, triggering, screaming twaddle.

Et voila.

You’re clearly another who has swallowed the bullshit pill.

We do not exist in a vacuum.

There’s a big world out there, we’re a leading member of it, we’re powerful and can still shape it, and our history also had a gigantic impact on it and why it’s like it is today.

If you’re now calling for Libya-style isolationism when that big world becomes too difficult for your simple mind to deal with, you’re either afraid your own vested interests will suffer, or you’ve been fed lies by those who need you to enable them to perpetuate the inequality and exploitation which keeps them wealthy.

Stand up and face the world we helped create, don’t run away.

Recognise it’s absolutely not as black and white as they’re telling you it is.

Stop deflecting and pointing at individual incidents or asking for stupid population limits.

MyArmsAreTooLong · 09/12/2025 15:14

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 14:56

A major incident such as 9/11 would make everything that’s happened so far seem like nothing

So let them apply for asylum or their home country will attack us?

Fluffyholeysocks · 09/12/2025 15:18

OmNomShiva · 09/12/2025 15:12

Et voila.

You’re clearly another who has swallowed the bullshit pill.

We do not exist in a vacuum.

There’s a big world out there, we’re a leading member of it, we’re powerful and can still shape it, and our history also had a gigantic impact on it and why it’s like it is today.

If you’re now calling for Libya-style isolationism when that big world becomes too difficult for your simple mind to deal with, you’re either afraid your own vested interests will suffer, or you’ve been fed lies by those who need you to enable them to perpetuate the inequality and exploitation which keeps them wealthy.

Stand up and face the world we helped create, don’t run away.

Recognise it’s absolutely not as black and white as they’re telling you it is.

Stop deflecting and pointing at individual incidents or asking for stupid population limits.

Steady on....
Please quote evidence of me swallowing the 'bullshit pill' ?
Where have I deflected and asked for 'stupid population limits?'
In what way am I running away?
When did I call for 'Libya style isolationism?'

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 15:19

poetryandwine · 09/12/2025 15:04

PP want to stop assessments.

It’s not me you need to discuss this with, but the Supreme Court who ruled against the Rwanda Scheme. Also people might ask themselves why other, safer countries are not coming forward to offer the UK something similar.

Legislation overruled that, are you aware of that stage?

I think we’re similar to Aus and most people don’t want crossings. If we had the same people wouldn’t vote it out. The yanbu vote shows a majority on here.

It becomes basic gov border control, a few oppose but the electorate think it’s better on a bi partisan basis.

Canada was mentioned below I’d say even if some argue for asylum crossings most wouldn’t overturn the agreement with the US.

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