To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

TBF, i ve often wondered this, i had no issues at all with EU migration, as EU boosts their own economies, EU workers tend to go back home, sure some 5m applied for settled status but they didn't really, many were multiple applications and often made when they'd already gone back.... or planned too.

But since Brexit, its SE Asian and African workers coming here, big families, will never return.

We voted for this, Boris & Sunak et al have just done what we wanted.

"making average immigrant wages, which are comparable to overall average wages"...any mealy-mouthed bollocks-writers from the civil setvice around to unpick that? 🤣

Are you winding me up? In what possible way could that be true? 🤣

This sounds some sort of conditionality to that stat. But in any case if you only let in people getting high earning visas rather than the opposite you will push that figure up.

Is that what people are after? Limiting entry to higher earners

I don’t think civil servants are in the business of lying. At least with their names attached -their reputation amongst their colleagues is everything.

It makes sense because the earnings threshold for the main (legal) immigration pathways is very high. And getting higher.

Haha, 'some sort of conditionality to that stat' is one way of putting it, yes!

That's not what I asked you. I asked you to think critically, yourself, about how that could possibly be true. A 79 year-old pensioner immigrant, long-retired, is still 'paying in to the system' in a way that a British pensioner with 'comparable' wages, whatever that may.mean, of the same age, is not. Come on!

It doesn’t actually say much other than if you want this to look better restrict entry to really high earning people. I think most would be ok with that.

Well the earnings threshold is now £41,700 and you would expect people in that bracket to be net contributors.

That's highly subjective. The assumption is that recruitment for the job the migrant is doing would not be possible if the migrant was not recruited. If a person who was already living here was denied that job the migrant is not making a net contribution. One of the biggest objections to freedom of movement when we were in the EU, was the immorality of importing labour when there are members of the existing population who are unemployed. This equation is no more moral.

Most of the work visas are to carers aren’t they? They won’t be paid highly.

No issue with a smaller group of high earning people entering, it sounds like a beneficial immigration policy.

That is having a huge impact on councils being able to provide social care, NHS trusts are having to use their own staff to go out into the community, staff & budgets they don't have.

I'm seeing this with a neighbour, no longer Indian or African staff but NHS trust providing her care.

Its an issue we have to confront if we want less immigration.

Probably because workers were paying 9/- (Nine shillings) in the £1 basic rate income tax. £1 was twenty shillings. That was a tax rate of 45%. People believed in the tax and NI systems, and most households had at least one worker. Families lived together, contributing to expenses, often only leaving to get married. Workers paid in and they saw the benefits for them, their families and other people like them.

Now, basic taxes are far lower, but they are supporting people who have no history of contributing, with a whole raft of benefits and services that those of us who were around in the 50s would never have envisaged.

IMO it depends whether an equally qualified British person was denied the job, particularly as a way of minimising wages. Not just a British person. (Although our medical training and employment is something of an exception and seems very badly joined up) Are you able to assess that?

But an equation cannot be moral or immoral

Agreed. The Royal College of Nursing thinks it will create further recruiting difficulties in the profession

Yep together with the drive now to steer young people to apprenticeships and away from Uni, its guaranteed to lead to recruitment issues.

I do sometimes wonder what planet Labour are on.

I don't believe, once all our many different taxes are taken into account, that our tax rate now is that much lower than 45%. Nor do I think that people 'believing' in the tax system or not made any difference to them having to pay it. But yes, life is very different now and peoples expectations of the state are so much higher. Aren't we fortunate then that retired immigrants who earned average wages at best are still somehow 'net contributors' at the age of 80!

Believe what you want, the effective tax rate now for the UK is about 37% and we have no Marshall plan money nor the Commonwealth nor a booming world economy.

Who should the UK get to look after our elderly and infirm if we do not want foreign workers here?

British people?

'About 37%' versus 45%, yeah that's what I meant by not that different

I think it took us a long time to pay it back though

also some of the trained doctors and nurses who live here can it get jobs as they go to people coming from overseas, why is this allowed to happen

The trouble is if a trust needs a highly experienced x or y, they will not want a new qualified Dr or HCP.
Would you like to be treated by a newbie or an experienced Nurse or Doctor

So they go overseas, couple this with recruitment freezes and its often not great for the newly qualified.

But the policy is wrong and very short sighted i agree.

The electorate have made it very clear we want less immigration both legal and illegal.

We want our own NEETS trained up to do the work that's needed, although we know that won't be easy.

But the elites in this country are all globalists. Tories want cheap labour for their friends in big business. Labour want to import their future voters. Elites in the media, BBC etc think anything short of open borders is racist and xenophobic. Meanwhile the population just keeps going up and up. Where will it all end?

Agree on the BBC narrative. If you don’t say yes it has to keep going up it’s terrible.

Yes, but the propaganda is starting to lose it's grip. Look at the numbers of ordinary people turning out to protest against asylum hotels near to town centres or the use of military bases for asylum seekers, again near to town centres.

People are no longer terrified of being called racists and Russian bots. Things are changing and the government need to wake up.