To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

I think most would be ok with that happening. If it’s at its peak and will fall.

That’s rubbish too. Look around you at the state of this country! There’s one million thousand things construction workers could do other than build houses. Our hospitals and schools are practically made of portacabins. Our streets are in disrepair. Some old housing needs replacing.

How do we deal with the pensioners? Well it’s here. Now. The baby boomers are the bubble. And they are a very wealthy bubble. There is no point plastering over it and pretending it’s not an issue. We need to come to a societal agreement about what we are going to do together.

Try again with "thats Rubbish..."

What is rubbish is pretending construction workers re allocated to building schools etc equates to Persimmon etc making billions in profit, self financing house building.

Rebuilding the public sector estate, inc roads, will require 100s of billions in public investment, paid for how exactly?? by increased taxes, as our growth would nose dive by cutting private sector house building.

Good luck trying to get the Wealthy "boomers" to pay more in, they wont, they will vote out any Govt that tries, as seen over WFA, that was just asking them to cough up 1.5bn.

Other wealthy groups such as PS parents scream "Education Tax" if they are asked to contribute.

Now its LLs and others with investments crying "poverty" with very small additional taxes.

Alexandra2001 · Today 08:52
We aren't talking about x channel migrants, they account for a very small % of total immigration

You may not be talking about channel migrants in hotels but others are - there are plenty of mentions of them on the thread.

Funny that after the war when people were penniless and still on rations the government managed to pay for millions of houses, roads, schools and hospitals to be built. Feel like we are all so defeated now and brainwashed into putting some wealthy shareholders first as if that just obviously shuts down any possibilty that these things could ever happen. But they ARE possible if the political will is there. It's not though, which takes us back to what the hell we do to house and support millions of migrants who will keep on coming.

Sure thats the original thread..... & it should be, people inc me, get pissed off with the situation, though we did vote to lose the right to deport x ch migrants, who generally speaking are economic.

However, the post i was replying to was from a pp who wanted all immigration to stop, you then joined that.

Well, as i said, we would need to raise taxes for that and growth post war was super high, we'd never get that again.

We went into that period (1950) with debt around 200%, by 1959 it was still 112% .... 98% tax rates on certain assets, standard income tax at 42.5% in 1955.

I'm sure if Reeves doubled income tax, we could have everything we wanted and you'd be the first to cheer her on.

Millions of illegal migrants are not still coming, we invite in around 1 million pa as students, workers etc, net its about 220k.

Growth post-war was super-high? What does that even mean? People had nothing, they were starving, had rickets, no one had a car, a mortgage, people only had a bath once a week! All that rebuilding was paid for out of general taxation of the average joe, was it?

Or do mean that growth was super high precisely because of the massive construction and rebuilding programmes that actually stimulated the economy?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at? Eastern European citizens may very well feel unwelcome here and leave for that that reason, I’m not suggesting otherwise, I’m simply pointing out that for ethnic minorities some countries aren’t particularly welcoming and are known to be quite hostile.

Both of the above can be true at the same time but the latter point won’t affect them as they are white …

Yeah I am not saying it’s easy.

So sorry it’s not about construction workers. It’s about persimmons profits? Persimmon are welcome to continue building homes. Might focus the mind to get them to up the quality to actually attract people through want rather than need.

If you don’t think we can run the country. Replace what needs replacing. And function as a society now, with the 2 million extra people that came in the past two years and the 10 million that came in the decade preceding that then what are you saying? How many people do you think solves our problems?

And why exactly do you think more people = problem solved. More tax? But then you have to pay more also for them and everything they need, and all the extra services we need for them? They aren’t just inaminate tax boxes. They are people. Who need the same things we do to.

Indeed! Mo' people, mo' problems! But people can't accept it. From these threads, I fully believe the UK will continue on, futher impoverishing, then bankrupting, then destroying itself completely, for NO other reason than not to be thought of as mean. It takes 30 pages of thread before people stop crying racism and start thinking about things rationally. We are doomed I tell you!

Well ask the Tories and N Farage

With Brexit, they’ve replaced immigration from Europe with immigration from other countries. The big difference? Those people come with their family (spouse, children) vs EU citizens were more likely to be young and single….
Conclusion: just replacing the immigrants that have left and the Uk needs means having more immigrants coming in 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Also immigrants coming to the country have a positive net impact.
ie what they pay in taxes vs what they get (in benefit, schools etc…) is positive. They pay more than what they get.
In average, the British person gets more than what they pay.
A big incentive on a government pov.

There ARE benefits to immigration. Otherwise we’d have closed all the borders a long time ago. Incl before Brexit (plenty of ways to limit how long and how people were staying).
Thr issue we currently have is that immigration has been made THE issue of all the problems when it is, at best, only one of many many strands affecting employment, housing, education etc…. (All of which btw suffer from vast underfunding fur years so are collapsing - which was the point in the first place. Once collapsed, you can replace all of that with more profiteable and/or less expensive options)

Trying to increase the population to pay for older people isn't a long term strategy, I am not sure why anyone would think it could be!

Once you get to the second generation, new families typically start to adop the usual fertility levels of the resident population. The reason for that is mainly that people have few kids not so much because that is what they want - it is because the conditions of the economy push them in that direction. Many people would like to have more kids than they do. It doesn't help social integration when there are families that feel they can't afford to have more children, while newcomers immigrate and are supported to have large families. That just creates social stress.

And maintaining a good capacity to produce our own food is important. That does not mean it needs to be 100%. But being too dependant is dangerous. Losing capacity to ramp up production, and the knowledge and expertise, is dangerous. Family owned farms are also important in terms of land conservation.

And immigration does not always accomplish contributing to the public purse in any case. The productivity of the worker has to be a net contributor to accomplish that, so many immigrant jobs don't. That does not mean that job is useless, and doesn't need to be filled, but it will not help pay people's pensions.

There was this claim for years that immigrants had a positive net impact.

However, it's a more complicated picture. Some do, in terms of their taxes. Others do not. Some actually use more than they contribute, financially speaking.

Immigration can also suppress wages and are a way for the state to get out of investing in education and training for their own citizens. That might be net benefit for the guy employing 1000 people at reduced wages, but not for the people having their wages reduced.

If 7 million immigrants haven’t fixed our economy, or filled all vital jobs etc, then how many will it actually take? Or… is it not working for the obvious reason once immigrated they present the same needs as anyone else does?

You've said it very confidently, as if it's an established fact, but I simply don't believe that British people take more than they give and that immigrants, with their many disadvantages compared to a native speaker with a British education, qualifications, support network and work experience, put in more than they take. I think that's just an outright lie that people think will become true if it's repeated often enough.

Growth was v high because the US gave/loaned the UK Marshall Aid money, in fact more than they gave Germany.
Billions by todays values.

So of course, combined with taxes & commonwealth money, we could build, not least NHS hospitals and council housing, adding to growth and post war construction.

But none of that is available to us now.

Fwiw i'd love the UK to increases taxes to re build our public services but it wont happen.

There are two issues here:

1. Illegal immigrants - called undocumented migrants in the US - are not seeking asylum, they are slipping under the radar, either never documented or visa overstayers, usually working in the black economy (and therefore contributing nothing),
2. Abusers of the asylum system. This has now reached epidemic proportions to the extent that we cannot trust that these people are refugees. I'm not remotely right-wing, just tired of being treated like an idiot.

Before we end up with a Reform government, which is the most repugnant thing I can think of, we need to get together with our European neighbours and sort this out. We're not the only country with this problem.

Absolutely 100% this. The powers that be must think we are stupid. We can see what is going on. I'm just curious as to why they are doing it. I'm worried about what it could be.

Yes the big question is...WHY? I mean I know a lot of politicians have got a place in the south of France or live in some beautiful little village in the Cotswolds, but a lot of them are British after all! They are still quite fond of the place I am sure, so why do it to us? Why do they want to do it to the country? Answers on a postcard, please!

Do you honestly believe that? That our immigration is benefiting us?

Where do you live?

A report from the Office of Budget Responsibility in 202 estimates that an immigrant (a legal immigrant) arriving age 25 and making average immigrant wages, which are comparable to overall average wages, makes an average net contribution to the UK economy of £341,000 by age 80.

🤣🤣🤣 80 eh? He's a hard worker!

The point is that even after some years of drawing state benefits, the average immigrant is still a net contributor.

Less than have of British are net contributors.