To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

I thought there may be less jobs because of AI supposedly

For god's sake you sanctimonious bellend

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No sorry I don’t buy that. 5 years ago I would have agreed with you we probably need some controlled immigration.

However we just welcomed 2.5 million people in the last two years. Does the economy look like it’s doing any better? No its 20x fucking worse than even in the middle of a bloody pandemic!

Low skill worker migration which is what we have had in heaps has driven down wages for the past decade or more. Taxes have increased and increased due to the costs of everything soaring. We barely even have a middle class anymore.

I don’t believe immigration is giving us medium or long term benefits. Tell me one. Economic growth is not one as far as I am concerned. Where is the evidence for that?

Explain what was sanctimonious please.

I could report the bellend bit but I’m interested in the sanctimonious bit.

How will your grandkids be minorities - in what sense ?

I would like illegal small boating a to stop, and for total and net immigration to fall.

However, within the first two pages of this thread I've read that most of 'them' don't work, and also that they mostly all work illegally and send money home.

Elsewhere, I've read the same person on social media say that 'they' are causing all the NHS waiting lists, whilst also being 99% fit young men who will attack us at the drop of a hat.

It does feel a bit like a 'pick your own adventure' of anger- whatever thing you personally dislike or that annoys you, it must apply to the immigrants, they've caused it somehow.

I’m concerned by 2 assumptions many seem to hold. Firstly that constant growth is necessary. Secondly that wealth vanishes into a black hole on death. We are amongst the richest in the world. We could slow growth & give others a chance to catch up. The material standard of living is much higher than it was for most of my life. If pensioners are rich, their children will inherit. I doubt it’s possible to return to a time when houses were to live in, not to profit from. I suspect that, if all empty properties were brought into use, instead of kept empty deliberately or tied up in bureaucracy, the housing situation would be greatly eased.

@Kave I agree. Empty homes should be identified, and taxed, or in some instances, compulsorily purchased. More accommodation built specifically for older people could free up family homes across all tenures.

And thank you for once again pointing out that many of the much maligned boomer generation will pass on inheritances via their properties. My DC have much more valuable homes than mine, don’t need anything, but I live in hope that at least some of what DH and I went without to afford will help the DGC in the future. I think that’s a pretty widespread hope.

@OmNomShiva in some parts of the UK non Muslims are already a minority. Would you choose to live in the Batley area where a teacher and his family were put in fear for their lives for teaching the curriculum?

Nope you implied that they would be going from one racist country to another....

The narrative in this country has been anti foreigner for many years, its not just about ethnic minorities, we don't want white Christian east European's here either.
Farage - Ukip Brexit party and now his relatively popular Reform are all about keeping everyone out.

EU citizens are leaving the UK due to post-Brexit immigration changes making it harder to live and work, increased cost of living, housing shortages, a less welcoming atmosphere, and the UK becoming a less economically attractive option with a weaker pound, leading to a shift in migration patterns away from the EU. A mix of policy changes, economic pressures
and a feeling of being unwelcome are key drivers for departures, particularly for students, short-term workers, and even high-skilled professionals, according to recent data and reports

How would you deal with the demographic timebomb?

Increased taxes, less growth?

I mean if we build less housing, an impact of no immigration, then what do these construction workers do? their companies go down the pan, that affects the stock market.

Thats just one example, there would be many more.

Yes course, if we are prepared to have 20 or 30 years of economic pain, then yes, things might even out but given the hatred towards this Govt that has put up taxes, then i don't think this idea will run.

We want it all, a growing economy, more skilled workers, fantastic universities, low taxation, triple lock pensions, less UK people leaving BUT no immigration....

It just shows you that if politicians repeat a lie often enough it becomes gospel, despite all evidence to the contrary. Even now the 'low birth rate' is presented as some sort of disaster that might have meant jobs went unfilled or that the economy was damaged if not for mass immigration. Millions out of work, the economy on its arse and still that lie is trotted out as if the 'solution' actually worked! Millions of extra people in a short space of time of course means millions of extra mouths to feed, homes to build, hospital beds to find, benefits to pay. But there is no acceptance of this, instead people tie themselves up in knots trying to claim that immigrants somehow don't even need all these things like other people do, a claim as bizarre and absurd as blaming them for everything!

Its not just politicians, its business and economists too.

I'm not against slashing immigration (i'm economically ok) but you re refusing to accept that your plans will have huge costs.

Not on the wealthy, never does but on the average worker.

723,000 foreign students came to UK to study in 2023/24, take them away and Uni's WILL fold, wrecking educational chances for UK young people OR we hike taxes to pay for them....

These 723k, need housing, will use the NHS etc etc.

Foreign students pay handsomely, benefit us by subsidising other uni places, and lots do go home again. They are probably the last cohort of 'immigrants' you would get rid of. Not really what I was saying.

True. The latest on that isn’t great.

Re your pp there is a strong narrative that immigration is good, it’s ‘abhorrent’ to say otherwise, but then people don’t want it to keep going up.

It doesn’t stack up.

So what immigrants would you "get rid of" ?

Take out the 723k foreign students and our immigration are negative by about 500k.....

So you want depopulation.

So many have zero idea of what their plans actually mean, i also wonder how many posting anti immigration stuff on here were not born in the UK ?

So you want depopulation.

Alexandra2001 I’d prefer depopulation to ever increasing population.
As has been mentioned on this thread, if the population keeps growing then it’s either tower blocks in every town or more and more farmland concreted over.

No one has answered where the population is in a few decades if it always goes up.

There will be a degree of depopulation when the current elderly boomer generation moves on and assuming the low birthrate and reduction in net migration continues.

Subsequent generations were much smaller.

Fine, there would be less building but what about the disadvantages?

No one talks about those.

The people not coming here would be students, the young and the more skilled, no one wants to move to a country where they are not welcome.

Its not possible to say "No immigration" but then also say "We want wealthy skilled immigrants"

They will go to other countries, see whats happening with foreign student numbers.

Our young people are paying for this right now with higher tuition fees.

Well I never actually said I'd want to get rid of anyone, it was just a previous post I was answering!

What do you want then?

To cut pop./limit immigration, people have to leave and we need to stop issuing visa's and make the UK far less inviting.

How would do that?

no one wants to move to a country where they are not welcome.

The large demonstrations outside asylum seekers and refugees hotels aren’t very welcoming but it hasn’t stopped them arriving.

Our young people are paying for this right now with higher tuition fees.

When Tony Blair hugely expanded universities did he and his advisors not consider how they should be paid for?
Or was a large percentage of overseas students on higher fees factored in to cover costs?

We aren't talking about x channel migrants, they account for a very small % of total immigration.

Large demonstrations? a few 100 from local pop. of 1000s.

Talk about dragging up issues from 20 years ago.

Numbers of young people going to Uni in the UK is on par with most Western countries.

Around 36%

The costs were set at around 1k increasing to 3k some 8 years later, that was good enough for almost 10 years before the Cons hiked them to 9k after slashing Uni funding during austerity.

Foreign student numbers were only a factor under the Cons.