To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-trade-in-numbers/uk-trade-in-numbers-web-version

Idk this shows me total exports have gone up?

Farmers need immigration

We could do, then inflation would increase, NMW also, welfare too.... & how would you ensure the producer got the money? that would require intervention by the Govt, hyper expensive.

& Tesco etc need to keep their multi billion profits, so prices would increase too.

Today, just tried the local milk "depot" bloody fantastic, lovely stuff.

Have go into Devon for nearest local butcher but the roadworks there are so bad (how to close down a vibrant market town) i no longer bother, well done National Grid and WDDC.

UK has never had food security, not close, even in WW2, we relied on imports, despite a much smaller pop. and less expectation.

By value yes.

Given very high inflation not doing so would be a v special trick.

My post was about volume, rather crucial.

I haven’t once said I don’t like farmers.

Not once.

You haven’t exactly been supportive of them - you want to build on their farms and remove the last of the tax breaks that protects farms across generations. You also minimised their contribution to this country by claiming they just produce ‘raw materials’ as opposed to food, environmental management and protecting the land from being concreted over which is what you seem to want to do to accommodate all the extra immigrants you want to live here. You seem to have little concept of their value. Or the value of our old people.

Your earlier posts:

OmNomShiva · Today 12:22
That needs “nudging” then.
By far the biggest use of land in the UK is agriculture. Not sure how genuinely productive that land is though. We’ve conditioned ourselves to believe that farms are “nature” which doesn’t help.
EasternStandard · Today 12:18
This always comes up. If people want to live in flats they can. Most with families prefer a house.

OmNomShiva · Today 12:34
Then expect - and allow - some agricultural land to be built on. The population has to grow either through increased birth rate or immigration in order to pay for our ageing demographics.

I am also happy to break the taboo that farmers are holy cows too, and should also be subsidised & given (eg tax) benefits no other business owner enjoys.
Both of these things entrench inequality and are effectively based on ordinary people subsidising their wealth at our own expense.

In my experience ( and I’ve lived in a huge variety from posh to working class mining town) most really nasty racist shit happens in mainly white working class areas , ones where a lot of blue collar male jobs have totally disappeared - and happens to a mix of people too, they will have a go at the Asian couple who seem to be doing quite nicely, just as much as the family who they are convinced are having the life of Riley on benefits ( even though many claim themselves and have done so for years) - it’s a very bizzare country in many ways - in some areas there is very little take people as you find them, it’s very Orwellian, a 4 legs good, 2 legs bad kind of thing except about colour and race , not species -

It just needs to be fair.

If farmers get special inheritance tax regimes because they run a business, then other business owners should also be eligible.

We need land to build homes for our population. No clue why you only considered immigrants. Most land in the UK is farmland.
Others on this thread have said that British people do not accept high-density housing, yet at the same time insist we only build on brownfield sites. Exactly that results in housing shortages - build dense on brownfield OR not dense but accept the conversion of some of the land currently used for farming.

And in a world of food products, most farm output IS raw materials for another downstream process. That’s just a fact.

If that sounds less than bucolic, then I’m afraid it’s time to wake up. The days of some ruddy-faced farmer taking produce to a nice market to sell directly to the public are long gone history. Most farm output goes to massive corporate mills & processing plants.

I have absolutely nothing against our old people personally either. I oppose the degree to which we subsidise their lifestyles using tax revenue. As I’ve said on thread, because they are undeniably the wealthiest generation in British history. Means test it all or GTFO.

I have not once said I don’t like farmers, nor have I at any time said I don’t like the elderly.

If you refuse to face the reality of our ageing population and instead can only point the finger at immigrants, I have to wonder if you’ve being manipulated by oligarch propaganda, or if there are certain realities you are just plain unwilling to face and picked migrants as a scapegoat yourself.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37556807/migrant-knifed-neighbours-loud-music/

Errrr noooo…..Make your own scenario for your own agenda all you like, I was replying to a PP who was saying EE left home due the racism supposedly and I pointed out that it’s widely known that some Eastern Europeans aren’t welcoming to ethnic
minorities either! Of course some EE will experience racism, but it appears racism in their home countries against non whites!

'Predatory' sex offender raped woman in hotel

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93y3gylkx7o

I mean what is your post meant to achieve ?

If we didn’t have so many people constantly coming to the UK we wouldn’t need so much housing in the first place

And we all still need to eat. If the population is growing we need more output from farms so we can be fed.

Our birth rate is at replacement levels barely. Some would argue it’s dropping.

So no if we didn’t have all this immigration then we wouldn’t need all these extra houses.

And I am sorry you might thinking about your retirement, or how we are going to pay for the current ‘oldies’. But I am thinking about my children. And my children’s children. You continue this human pyramid it either stops somewhere and another generation has to deal with it; or the U.K. turns into a complete concrete shithole.

So if you want to stop immigration, are you also thinking of stopping emigration?

yes I feel so sorry for my grandchildren if they become a minority in the UK

there are loads of babies being born, wouldn’t it be great to put a halt on immigration for a few years and make sure the ones who are here are actually pulling their weight and in work

DuncinToffee · Today 21:54
So if you want to stop immigration, are you also thinking of stopping emigration?

Isn’t that up to the countries being emigrated to to decide who can move there?

How will they be a minority ? In what sense ? All will be human.

When asked posters say they don’t want the pyramid to continue anyway. It seems no one wants it to just go up.

Yes I want illegal immigration to stop. However, I want to do it by making it easier for people to immigrate legally. The reason some pass through France on the way is because we left the EU and closed down all avenues for asylum seekers to apply for a refugee visa from outside the UK. Unless they’re Ukrainian.

I also want to eliminate the Home office backlog that has people overstaying visas because the home office is taking a year to process a visa renewal

I also want to eliminate the Home Office evisa failure because it’s mistakenly marking legal immigrants with visas as illegal.

In other words, I think most illegal immigration is due to the incompetency of the government.

Well the estimates for the past 10 years are 8-12 million

And for a comparison the preceding 100 years (1915-2015) were 18- 23 million

So I don’t think a few years pause is going to cut it. We fucked it. Boris is an idiot!

Good to hear! We need to take responsibility for this situation and that starts with not adding more to the mess we are in.

I mean there’s still posts saying stop being anti immigration but then no we don’t want the endless growth so it’s a bit muddled.

Overall most realise the Ponzi scheme needs to have an interruption and even vast networks profiting from risky people movement isn’t wanted either.

My question is if posters who oppose immigration also oppose emigration.

@Whywhywhyyyy the reason why we are just at replacement level re natality rate is …. Immigration. Because those are the people who have children.
If it was left to ‘British’ people, the natality rate would be in the floor.
Also low natality rates are an issue not just for pension. But for the whole of the economy. You might be happy with having less people coming in, but the consequence of that is jobs left unfulfilled, less consumers and tte huge impact on the economy. It’s not an easy ride either.
Having more houses available won’t the consequences of lower immigration. And even if it was, the very short term ‘gain’ will be negligible vs the medium and LT impact.

Note: I’m not talking about uncontrolled immigration. I’m not talking about overstayers either. Just arguing getting if all immigration is not such a good idea at all. It’s to much more complex than that