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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:09

rachelhere · 07/12/2025 08:31

Ah, the eternally young, fit, heakthy immigrant, working hard, never ageing, never getting ill, never retirimg, never a drain or a hoarder of anything! They too will become old! Will it be ok to look after them in their old age, or will that be 'wibble, wibble, structural, global capitalism, gerontocracy, wibble'? If you've got a problem with how much old people cost, mass immigration means there'll be a lot more of them here very soon!

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Yes and a lot of them do have health problems

somehow I’m sure they will manage to bring in other elderly relatives in as well who will be a drain.

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 13:15

suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:09

Yes and a lot of them do have health problems

somehow I’m sure they will manage to bring in other elderly relatives in as well who will be a drain.

You reminded me about the data regarding birth defects and neo-natal/newborn deaths by race.

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 13:17

EasternStandard · 07/12/2025 12:56

So you and pp are advocating for population growth. When they age do you keep going up?

How do you get away from that requirement? Unless you do see that the population needs to just keep going up steadily

Where is it in numbers in a few decades and past that

I’m not advocating for pop growth. It is a complex question think the whole of the country is advocating for economic growth.

I do say we need to figure out how to fund benefits and it will beca national conversation. The two possibilities I cited are the realistic choices.

When people are happy I think they don’t mind funding a humane level of benefits. That includes both a decent state pension and humanitarian assistance. When people are hurting it can all feel like too much.

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 13:18

Edit: I think the whole of the country is advocating for economic growth

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:21

EasternStandard · 07/12/2025 12:56

So you and pp are advocating for population growth. When they age do you keep going up?

How do you get away from that requirement? Unless you do see that the population needs to just keep going up steadily

Where is it in numbers in a few decades and past that

We either end the expectation of improving conditions, of infinite growth, and accept a massive downgrade, accept abandoning of state-managed healthcare, abandoning of state-managed social care, and go feudal - brutally enacting “everyone for themselves” - real Hunger Games stuff.

Or we continue business as usual - and require ever an increasing population to prop up the pyramid scheme we call “caring for the elderly”.

Or we acknowledge that today’s elderly are by and large (please do not anecdote me / pick out the many exceptions) - overwhelmingly the richest generation in British history - and that serious reform is needed there to stop younger generations subsidising their wealth at the expense of their own future prosperity.

suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:21

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 22:51

Facts aren’t ageist.

It’s a fact that most of the money we pay in tax goes to the elderly in the form of social care and healthcare. And subsidised services like free prescriptions, winter fuel allowance, bus fares etc.

It’s a fact that today’s elderly are the richest demographic in British history.

It’s a fact that they treat their homes as financial assets and hang on to them, acquiring a few more to rent out, gaining from their investments in a way young people of today will never be able to.

It’s a fact that they were in the main the generation who drove the Brexit vote, one of the causes of today’s changed immigration and asylum landscape.

This isn’t ageism. It’s simply reality.

Here in the gerontocracy, we may not question the current generation of elderly.

They’re somehow revered without question, perhaps a learned behaviour from the genuinely heroic generation which came before them.

No, we prefer to blame the desperate asylum seekers fleeing the wreckage of their nations, shattered by our globalist turbo-capitalism.

Which ironically is exactly what enriched the subsidised, wealthy elderly generation of today.

You can’t have it both ways. It’s not OK to extract from other countries in the name of globalisation and then bitch when other countries come knock at our door for the same reason.

I think you will find many of the multiple property owners are immigrants or maybe their parents were

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:22

suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:21

I think you will find many of the multiple property owners are immigrants or maybe their parents were

Feel free to share the stats, assuming this isn’t just a vague impression you have.

suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:25

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:22

Feel free to share the stats, assuming this isn’t just a vague impression you have.

It’s definitely not a vague impression and don’t get me started on the beds in sheds in people’s garden and hideous extensions that you wonder how they got planning permission to do or if they did

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:26

suburburban · 07/12/2025 13:25

It’s definitely not a vague impression and don’t get me started on the beds in sheds in people’s garden and hideous extensions that you wonder how they got planning permission to do or if they did

Feel free to link to the numbers

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 13:26

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:22

Feel free to share the stats, assuming this isn’t just a vague impression you have.

What should we do r.e. the elderly?

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 13:41

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:21

We either end the expectation of improving conditions, of infinite growth, and accept a massive downgrade, accept abandoning of state-managed healthcare, abandoning of state-managed social care, and go feudal - brutally enacting “everyone for themselves” - real Hunger Games stuff.

Or we continue business as usual - and require ever an increasing population to prop up the pyramid scheme we call “caring for the elderly”.

Or we acknowledge that today’s elderly are by and large (please do not anecdote me / pick out the many exceptions) - overwhelmingly the richest generation in British history - and that serious reform is needed there to stop younger generations subsidising their wealth at the expense of their own future prosperity.

It isn’t anecdotal to state that according to government data 1 in 6 pensioners live below the poverty level, and these are disproportionately women

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/12/2025 13:43

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 07/12/2025 11:04

Where we live now is very diverse, and I love it. However, my experience may be different as we're a mixed race family and we've also both lived abroad in a country where we were both visibly different from the majority of the population.

Perhaps those experiences make it easier for us to integrate across cultural boundaries.

It’s interesting. We’ve lived in many places over the years, all over the country from Cornwall to Perth, via central London, East Anglia, the Midlands and Lancashire, as well as travelling widely with work.

We've found that the countries/areas of the UK with the most suspicion of immigrants are those that have barely any. People who live in diverse areas seem to us at least far more welcoming of people who don’t look like them.

I travel to and from between our new city, which is very diverse, and the Lancashire coastal town where family still live. Barely a brown face to be seen but bloody flags everywhere. (Nothing to do with football. Many have slogans printed on them “stop the Boats”, for example).

It’s all very sad.

EasternStandard · 07/12/2025 13:45

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:21

We either end the expectation of improving conditions, of infinite growth, and accept a massive downgrade, accept abandoning of state-managed healthcare, abandoning of state-managed social care, and go feudal - brutally enacting “everyone for themselves” - real Hunger Games stuff.

Or we continue business as usual - and require ever an increasing population to prop up the pyramid scheme we call “caring for the elderly”.

Or we acknowledge that today’s elderly are by and large (please do not anecdote me / pick out the many exceptions) - overwhelmingly the richest generation in British history - and that serious reform is needed there to stop younger generations subsidising their wealth at the expense of their own future prosperity.

Moving away from the subsidising argument but just focusing on numbers and wealth what reform are you thinking of in the last option?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/12/2025 13:53

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 13:21

We either end the expectation of improving conditions, of infinite growth, and accept a massive downgrade, accept abandoning of state-managed healthcare, abandoning of state-managed social care, and go feudal - brutally enacting “everyone for themselves” - real Hunger Games stuff.

Or we continue business as usual - and require ever an increasing population to prop up the pyramid scheme we call “caring for the elderly”.

Or we acknowledge that today’s elderly are by and large (please do not anecdote me / pick out the many exceptions) - overwhelmingly the richest generation in British history - and that serious reform is needed there to stop younger generations subsidising their wealth at the expense of their own future prosperity.

How old are you out of interest?

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 13:57

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/12/2025 13:53

How old are you out of interest?

I wonder what she feels should be done with the elderly....

BundleBoogie · 07/12/2025 14:07

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 10:33

The assumptions you state are incorrect. I challenge you to find a PP using the word ‘all’.

By the way many pro immigration/anti borders PPs talk and react to comments, it is a fair inference.

BundleBoogie · 07/12/2025 14:12

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 10:39

“Men in the group ‘asylum seekers’ have proven to us that some are indeed rapists, murderers and terrorists.”

@BundleBoogie - just want to comment on your post without quoting it all.

Men in general have proven to us that some are rapists, child abusers, murderers, and terrorists.

It makes zero difference at all whether one has an open asylum application or not.

I agree. But the subgroup ‘male asylum seekers’ are statistically more likely to be murderers, rapists and terrorists and as such, don’t need to be here. If they are not here, they can’t hurt us.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/12/2025 14:14

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 13:57

I wonder what she feels should be done with the elderly....

It’s such a bizarre diatribe I’m trying to make some sense of it. The only thing that can make sense is the poster is young, doesn’t own property and can’t see any ability to own their own home and incredibly resentful of that.

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 14:14

BundleBoogie · 07/12/2025 14:12

I agree. But the subgroup ‘male asylum seekers’ are statistically more likely to be murderers, rapists and terrorists and as such, don’t need to be here. If they are not here, they can’t hurt us.

And we've seen what happened in Sweden and Denmark

suburburban · 07/12/2025 14:17

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/12/2025 14:14

It’s such a bizarre diatribe I’m trying to make some sense of it. The only thing that can make sense is the poster is young, doesn’t own property and can’t see any ability to own their own home and incredibly resentful of that.

Yes what have the elderly law abiding citizens who were born before or in WW2 done to deserve this.

even if they do own property it will be sold for their care if needed.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/12/2025 14:18

There is a simmering resentment against so many sub groups now because everyone feels pretty poor and the resources are scarce.

BundleBoogie · 07/12/2025 14:20

grbj · 07/12/2025 10:50

Thanks for the response!

I actually think that Southall had a strong community feel but the demographics would put me off personally.

I lived in Tower Hamlets briefly (Blackwall) and it’s not easy to break into other religious/ethnic communities. Them again, Im a minority in white British areas, too.

This seems to be part of the problem.

Can you imagine the outcry if a black or brown family faced hostility for living in a certain area because of the colour of the skin or religion?

Yet many find it perfectly acceptable for white British to experience that for existing in some parts of the UK. The size and number of these areas are growing like in other European countries. ‘Multiculturalism’ is not working when immigrants have no intention of assimilating and being part of British society. This is damaging to all of us.

BundleBoogie · 07/12/2025 14:23

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 10:39

I read this also. There is no data here about holidays vs permanent voluntary returns.
Government data does not break out holidays! If it did, the earlier link you posted would gave showed it. AI is highly imperfect, you know.

As mentioned in your post, even a holiday in your home country can jeopardise your asylum claim. Once you have refugee status, your British passport forbids travel there.

I suggest you return to my original comment - which this information backs, and the comment to which I was responding. That’ll make more sense.

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 14:27

poetryandwine · 07/12/2025 13:41

It isn’t anecdotal to state that according to government data 1 in 6 pensioners live below the poverty level, and these are disproportionately women

And how many live with wealth which exceeds the average ?

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 14:28

Most elderly were born well after WW bloody 2.

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