To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

[Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee]

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

I think I'll start a thread about people with illegal disabilities claiming PIP. 🤔

One of the things people say is a benefit of mass migration is "all the tasty food". I say you can make it if you have a recipe book.

You can. But why ?

Would you say that about KFC / McDonalds ? Clearly UK culture has been changed far more deeply by Americanisation than any other culture.

Are you screeching about burgers ?

What about Italian food - are we upset by that ?

Or do you only complain about influences from certain specific countries ?

Come on, be honest with yourself - is it a teensy bit of racism ?

The food is nice. You can all still have it without mass migration and you don't especially need asylum seekers for it.

What is wrong with Southall or Whitechapel? I don’t understand the point you are making.

No it’s straight up racism not a teeny bit.

Too many brown people, I suspect.

Yep.

That’s been the case for hundreds of years.
My formative years were in Brixton in the 60s. Large West Indian population. Wasn’t a problem for us, taught me to respect diversity 🤷‍♀️

Asylum seekers are a tiny minority of immigrants though. Tiny enough to be almost insignificant.

Look at where we spend our money - you’ll notice asylum and immigration is very little in the grand scheme of things.

It’s barely worth worrying about. Wealthy, vested interests WANT you to worry about it so that they can steal your vote to entrench their wealth and exploit you further. That’s why the likes of Reform are run by multi-millionaires. They’re NOT in our side.

You can see here how an ageing population is the real cause of exploding government spending, lack of NHS resources, council bills getting completely used up on caring for the elderly.

This article lays it out well -

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/216441/economics/why-governments-are-getting-bigger-but-seamingly-more-useless/

Last year we spent 5.4 billion on asylum seekers

It's small fry to what we spend on some things yes but it could be spent on ⬇️

Service Example
Rough Equivalence to £5.4 bn
NHS hospitals
5–10 new hospitals
Teachers
13,000–15,000 funded for a year
Secondary schools
150–200 new schools
Police officers
75,000–90,000 per year
Rail infrastructure
1 major upgrade project
Road infrastructure
4–8 major projects

Sure, I mean we spend £10bn on free prescriptions for over 60s in England alone.

That should be means tested. Wouldn’t want to subsidise the wealthy.

It's not illegal

You reform pensions and old age benefits (and benefits in general) and also want to both legal and illegal migration to fall.

What does brexit have to do with it? Pre brexit the uk was part of the EU's common asylum and return process, which allowed the uk to return asylum seekers to the first EU country they had entered.

I hate being patronising but I really think you need to educate yourself a bit more before you have an opinion.

If we really didn't want to have the small boats issue we should have done two things:

1. Stayed in the EU
2. Lobbied for turkey to join the EU. they already take a massive number of refugees but who cares.

Would we have benefitted from having Turkish citizens with complete free movement to the UK?

Also as a sovereign nation we could have just refused the entry of boats anyway and protected our borders.

It wasn't ever a blanket common return process.

It would have stopped the small boats and that seems to be all many people care about.

Who cares about real issues?

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All of it!

Wow! This really deserves its own thread.

i knew we had lots and lots of people on Mumsnet absolutely furious that older people exist and live in housing but it hasn’t been discussed properly I dont think. It tends to pop up and burn fiercely on threads such as these to deflect from the uncomfortable issue at hand.

How we care for the elderly, disabled and vulnerable is very much a reflection of the nation itself.

I read the whole of what you sent and there is not a lot available on this particular topic.

Would you like to be specific about why you disagree and which parts were untrue?

Well we’ve got some leading artists and scientists of the present generation who landed here as refugees. As I said upthread, amongst recent British Nobel laureates and Fields Medallists, refugees (granted asylum here) are vastly overrepresented statistically.

The countries turning their backs on asylum seekers do not have Britain’s international stature, need for trade, etc. Not taking your share is bad for international relations. It isn’t in a country’s self interest

@Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee People claiming asylum when they have passed through at least one other safe country to get here

That's not illegal. So you must be okay with that.

Ah, the eternally young, fit, heakthy immigrant, working hard, never ageing, never getting ill, never retirimg, never a drain or a hoarder of anything! They too will become old! Will it be ok to look after them in their old age, or will that be 'wibble, wibble, structural, global capitalism, gerontocracy, wibble'? If you've got a problem with how much old people cost, mass immigration means there'll be a lot more of them here very soon!

Which safe routes are you referring to here?

If we had those why did so many risk death in the back of lorries? I think some of these posts are incorrect.