To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

Aus is fine with international trade, standing and is currently beating us at the cricket. They do offer humanitarian schemes but have stopped crossings.

I think more people would be ok if it could be controlled here.

If you read what I said, I haven’t said ‘these men’ and I don’t understand your point?

What am I being naive about?

Is there something about the term ‘asylum seeker’ that leads you to believe that all male asylum seekers are definitely never going to be a rapist or murderer? Because that’s been disproven. How many additional rapists and murderers in the UK is acceptable to you?

We have had many very successful sports people who have come here, wasn't Mo Salah an asylum seeker who you would have kicked out?

Badenoch, now, wouldn't be allowed to stay, much less get citizenship, her mother was a health tourist, who came only to give birth, back then giving KB citizenship.
That then allowed her father to come here, though they preferred Nigeria, so lived there for many years.

She now wants people like her parents to be sent back, no matter where they come from, women and children would also be sent back, no exceptions.

My mum was cared for by a Syrian Stroke specialist.... i was delivered by a mid wife from Africa.
The NHS is packed full of healthcare workers who have come here either through asylum routes or via work visa's.

70,000 EU nationals left the UK last year, among the reasons given are the increased racism here.... they no longer feel welcomed.

My former manager, went from st1 to st3 cancer because the person who would have done the treatment, left the NHS and went back to her country of origin, that led to a further 6 week delay.

I agree a sense of control would help a lot.

I’d be interested in further detail in your comments about RoI from yesterday.

PS @EasternStandard

Australia isn’t a world power and is less attractive destination for terrorists

If you go onto a search engine and type in the question it’ll give you helpful summary and a selection of sources of that summary. If you didn’t get on with the one I sent, you can see some others.

There are tens of thousands of voluntary returns, many of which are for the purposes of holidays, family weddings and business. The ‘asylum seekers’ are not all ‘risking their lives’ and not all automatically innocent of all crimes due to getting in a small boat.

I’m not sure what you mean here. It is a successful country with good trade and world relations, contrary to the pp. It uses the strictest asylum policy and that won’t change.

If we did the same we’d likely not vote it out either.

Do you have a source for that? Is there any chance there could be bias in the same way that so many women’s organisations are now celebrating men as ‘Top Woman of the Year’ etc? Academia and science seems to be full of different types of activists.

Is there a test we can apply as part of the asylum process that distinguishes these Nobel laureates from the violent criminals?

We cannot do the same as Australia, this idea has been suggested many times but no one ever comes up with where we would send migrants or where we would tow back boats too, which was Australia's turning point on migration.. sending to Nauru alone didn't stop the boats, it was "turn back" that did that.

Rwanda was for 500 migrants per year, not the 1000s that would be required to work as a deterrent.

Another thing Aus benefitted from was growing economies in SE Asia.

I'm sure if Somalia and Afghanistan become manufacturing & tourist hubs for the world, few would leave.

The biggest barrier for the U.K. is people thinking nothing can be done.

Although this thread has majority voting yanbu so maybe it’ll change at the next GE.

Only if we want to deliver the country to Putin

And you believe that all of those people are genuine refugees? When people are coming from South Sudan and Afghanistan, we’re definitely not getting the perpetrators of these atrocities, only ever the victims?

This is something nobody seems to think about. I think we need to be a bit more discerning. And not just for our safety, but for fairness and morality.

Dont just let every Tom, dick and harry in to stick it to Farage.

Precisely. From their impoverished countries they have managed to obtain a relatively huge sum of money for the crossing but can't possibly be the criminal element of that country. Nobel.prize winners indeed! People are such fannies!

Aus isn’t ‘delivered to Putin’, it just controls its borders.

We really do make things hard for ourselves.

Just be rational and sort out policy. Take an example that works.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on these places? Have you visited or would you consider moving there?

I’m an ex-Londonder and more familiar with Southall.

Personally i get very annoyed with comments like "most people in this country want". Because no one has asked me and I have my own mind. There is so much rubbish spouted about migrants and what they can get it is frightening. Someone in a thread earlier said they are allowed to work , they are not . So in answer to your actual question was you unreasonable to say most people unless you have evidence please don't make it sound like you are appealing for me and maybe use the phrase " in my opinion"

Sorry, asking@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBackand @Frannieisnthappyfollowing pp mentioning southall and Whitechapel in discussion.

I will simply answer your question this time. In the future I will refer you search engines as you have referred me - more below.

The 2021 Nobel Prize for Literature was won by Abdulrazak Gurnah and one of the 2018 Fields Medals was won by Caucher Birkir, both granted asylum in the UK.

Both are men, by the way, presenting in accord with the usual norms and Gurnah’s wikipedia entry shows he is married to a woman. If ever there was a discipline that took no notice of external factors or political correctness in making major awards, that discipline is mathematics.

More below

Love Putin popping up like a pantomime villain! Wtf?

In these discussions about immigration I think it’s interesting that people seem to forget that it is the British who have been the biggest immigrants over the last 400 years.

Of course Australia isn’t ‘delivered to Putin’. Australia isn’t run by Reform.

Farage should be investigating how Nathan Gill came to be so cosy with the Russians as to earn a 10 year prison sentence for it. Instead he is stonewalling. We can only speculate as to why

Posters can never come up with a practical proposal of "What can be done"

Because the Australian model can never be applied here, we have no compliant island state to send migrants too.

Rwanda was for 500 per year and nothing to stop them coming back here again.

It is a good one. But really if you want to see who does benefit from pushing movement of people he’s more relevant there.

He uses displacement as a way to destabilise. He’s quite happy to keep benefitting from our border control.

@poetryandwineyou are focusing on one party, I’m talking about policy. Even Labor in Aus keep strong controls. They are also not impacted by the above, ie Putin using movement of people.

I searched on ‘how many asylum seekers in the UK visit their home countries?’ On the basis of what I report below, I ask again for a source.

As I said above, HMG does not break out these figures, so how would anyone know? You need to track passports.

The many entries at the top of the search, like gov figures, are off topic. Eventually there is a Telegraph article. It’s paywalled. The public bit contains no hard data.

Further down there is some opinion, again no data.

Once someone is granted asylum, their UK passport forbids travel to their previous home country.

Putin has strong influences over UK politics, he is certainly no Pantomime Villain, try murderous dictator who used Brexit to further his long term aims and now is using Reform instead..

I would be interested know how Farage got £880k to give to his girl friend to buy a house.
Plus what were the conditions of that gift, they aren't married.

Then of course is the avoidance of stamp duty of the above arrangement.