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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:30

Timeforabitofpeace · 06/12/2025 23:29

It’s such a pity more people don’t know that immigration is not the cause of their problems.

There are many problems in the UK. Immigration is one (of many)

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 23:34

Timeforabitofpeace · 06/12/2025 23:29

It’s such a pity more people don’t know that immigration is not the cause of their problems.

BUT IT DOESN'T HELP! Two things can be true at once, shocker! The problem isn't NOT immigration just because there are other problems! Christ!

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:35

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 23:34

BUT IT DOESN'T HELP! Two things can be true at once, shocker! The problem isn't NOT immigration just because there are other problems! Christ!

How is it impacting you personally.?

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:36

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:30

There are many problems in the UK. Immigration is one (of many)

Name a few then?

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:36

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:12

How are elderly hoarding houses? How dare they have a place to live? What's wrong with hanging on to their own home? I don't know if they all have multiple properties. I did some internet searching I don't think it's true at all.

I mean the state pension is there right - arguably they've paid tax and NI all their lives?

An asylum seeker killed a pensioner a few years ago:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyggw4z05o.amp

OK I did use the word “hoarding”, but my point wasn’t that older people are doing anything wrong by keeping their homes. The issue is structural. Older cohorts ended up with most of the housing wealth because of the conditions they bought into and the policy environment that followed. That’s ONS data, not a character judgement.

Some also own additional properties, yes that’s a subset, but it’s controlling the rental market, driving up prices and making it much harder for young people to buy (instead of rent) homes. That’s what I mean by hoarding.

Pensions follow the same logic. People contributed through tax and NI, and they receive more public spending later in life because health and social care costs rise sharply with age. it’s the arithmetic of an ageing society. We gain more over 65s annually than we do immigrants on average.

Most of the immigrants are younger, healthier, work and pay taxes, thereby contributing. But they’re wrongly blamed for clogging up healthcare - it’s the elderly who require those resources the most and cost the most.

The murder you mention is horrific, but one case doesn’t describe an entire group. Home Office figures show asylum seekers are not more likely to offend than the general population.

My argument is about systems, not individuals - it’s about how wealth accumulated, how housing and pensions were shaped, and how global pressures drive migration.

What benefitted the (now elderly) was globalised capitalism - and exactly that is bringing immigrants to our borders now - you can’t have it both ways.

IstillloveKingThistle · 06/12/2025 23:37

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:23

People claiming asylum when they have passed through at least one other safe country to get here (in some cases having asylum claims rejected in other countries - got to question why). People overstaying visas and playing the visa system, eg coming on a student visa with no intention of studying and then disappearing underground.

You’re on the wrong site mate .

Ask the opinion of the whole of the Uk and you will find that you get an accurate answer.

You won’t find that on MN …

MissDoubleU · 06/12/2025 23:37

Define illegal immigration OP.

Everyone is entitled to travel here and seek immigration status. The act of arriving on UK shores does not make someone illegal.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:39

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:35

How is it impacting you personally.?

Take a visit to some parts of London. You'll feel like you're in another land.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:40

MissDoubleU · 06/12/2025 23:37

Define illegal immigration OP.

Everyone is entitled to travel here and seek immigration status. The act of arriving on UK shores does not make someone illegal.

But not presenting passport and visa to border guards? Not having an ETA?

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:44

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:39

Take a visit to some parts of London. You'll feel like you're in another land.

You do know that London is a multicultural city and has been since the 1950s and you wouldn’t know who was legal, born here or even illegal unless you’re doing some stalking.

Frannieisnthappy · 06/12/2025 23:44

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:39

Take a visit to some parts of London. You'll feel like you're in another land.

Have you thought about moving?

I cant see that London will ever be less diverse than it is. No matter what party wins the next GE.

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 23:45

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:36

OK I did use the word “hoarding”, but my point wasn’t that older people are doing anything wrong by keeping their homes. The issue is structural. Older cohorts ended up with most of the housing wealth because of the conditions they bought into and the policy environment that followed. That’s ONS data, not a character judgement.

Some also own additional properties, yes that’s a subset, but it’s controlling the rental market, driving up prices and making it much harder for young people to buy (instead of rent) homes. That’s what I mean by hoarding.

Pensions follow the same logic. People contributed through tax and NI, and they receive more public spending later in life because health and social care costs rise sharply with age. it’s the arithmetic of an ageing society. We gain more over 65s annually than we do immigrants on average.

Most of the immigrants are younger, healthier, work and pay taxes, thereby contributing. But they’re wrongly blamed for clogging up healthcare - it’s the elderly who require those resources the most and cost the most.

The murder you mention is horrific, but one case doesn’t describe an entire group. Home Office figures show asylum seekers are not more likely to offend than the general population.

My argument is about systems, not individuals - it’s about how wealth accumulated, how housing and pensions were shaped, and how global pressures drive migration.

What benefitted the (now elderly) was globalised capitalism - and exactly that is bringing immigrants to our borders now - you can’t have it both ways.

What do you mean 'have it both ways'? Of course older people have finished paying their mortgages, how could it ever be the other way around? Not sure 'most immigrants' do work or pay taxes, either...is that a fact? I note also they are the usual immortal immigrants people talk about who will apparently never become elderly or use NHS resources at any point themselves, right?

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:45

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:40

But not presenting passport and visa to border guards? Not having an ETA?

We don’t have safe routes anymore because of Brexit what part don’t you understand there.

the minute they land on our soil they can seek asylum under our laws.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:47

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:44

You do know that London is a multicultural city and has been since the 1950s and you wouldn’t know who was legal, born here or even illegal unless you’re doing some stalking.

How have we benefited from multiculturalism?

Take a trip to Whitechapel or Southall.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:48

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:45

We don’t have safe routes anymore because of Brexit what part don’t you understand there.

the minute they land on our soil they can seek asylum under our laws.

Then we should change our laws to not accept any asylum applications. Parliamentary should be sovereign.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:51

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:47

How have we benefited from multiculturalism?

Take a trip to Whitechapel or Southall.

How have you not?

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:52

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:47

How have we benefited from multiculturalism?

Take a trip to Whitechapel or Southall.

I often do, to enjoy fab Bengali food brought to us by magnificent multiculturalism.

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:53

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:52

I often do, to enjoy fab Bengali food brought to us by magnificent multiculturalism.

Recipe books are a thing.

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:55

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:48

Then we should change our laws to not accept any asylum applications. Parliamentary should be sovereign.

Why so isolationist ? Are you North Korea ?

The entire world accepts asylum seekers, many countries take orders of magnitude more than we do.

Parliament is sovereign, but this is Britain - we should do our bit - no more or less than other countries do.

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:56

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:53

Recipe books are a thing.

Why use a recipe book when you can enjoy the real thing, chat to the people, learn about their culture.

I realise you’re small-minded and never left your village. Sucks to be you. I’ve lived all over the world, and it’s a magnificent place.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/12/2025 23:56

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 23:48

Then we should change our laws to not accept any asylum applications. Parliamentary should be sovereign.

Why are you sounding so bitter and again how has that personally affected you cos I don’t think it has

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/12/2025 23:57

The thing is, Britain wont change

The minorities and different cultures you see in the shops, and streets and driving

They likely arent illegal 😭

It may be harder to get a deliveroo though 🤷‍♀️

Crikeyalmighty · 07/12/2025 00:04

@poetryandwine correct — it is extremely disingenuous for others to try and disassociate Farage by ‘Well he wasn’t in government ‘ - no he wasn’t, but he was there right before referendum and ever since stirring up the shit in the general population to try and blame anyone non white or indeed non British with all the country’s ills , it was interesting before the referendum when they conducted vox pops in places like my midlands ex mining home town - all the talk was of Muslims - when they asked an elderly guy what he had against the polish etc - he said ‘nothing ,, they are hardworking, integrate etc’ when the guy asked him what Muslims had to do then with the referendum he was like ‘eh’ rabbits in headlights and walked off . I’m afraid that sums up plenty of people voting who had zero idea what they were actually voting on , it came down to pure xenophobia for many, not economics because to be honest a great many don’t get it or were retired and I blame Farage 100% for that - he didn’t blame the Tory’s for implementing an austerity that wasn’t needed if they had 400 billion to lose on Brexit , didnt blame them for selling off all our utilities over the years, didnt blame the Tory’s for not getting to grips with who is here at any time , registering people, seeking out black market workers etc etc - and he’s been very very quiet on the fact that pre Brexit the ‘boat ‘ numbers were minimal because of the Dublin agreement - he is an absolute charlatan with no actual concrete ideas that aren’t pure Trumpism - it will go horribly wrong because basically it will be a bunch of failed opportunistic Tory’s, who couldn’t get arrested outside of parliament, corrupt money from shadowy rich dodgy peopke to buy influence and contracts and a bunch of weird opportunist losers , but I think the people thinking he will be the saviour have to actually experience it to realise it’s prime bullshit - just spoken by someone who sounds like one of them - and really isn’t

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 00:06

OmNomShiva · 06/12/2025 23:55

Why so isolationist ? Are you North Korea ?

The entire world accepts asylum seekers, many countries take orders of magnitude more than we do.

Parliament is sovereign, but this is Britain - we should do our bit - no more or less than other countries do.

Because we don't benefit at all. And communities don't want it. How do we benefit?

OmNomShiva · 07/12/2025 00:10

Samrutha · 07/12/2025 00:06

Because we don't benefit at all. And communities don't want it. How do we benefit?

Benefit from what ? Human rights ?

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