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To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:12

I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

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DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:00

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 20:59

PS @Samrutha , @rachelhere : Becoming known as a country that jails failed asylum seekers without papers might start to act as a disincentive when the word got out. But haven’t you noticed that our prisons are already overcrowded?

And where are they going to find the staff?

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:01

Yes, everything is a bit overcrowded isnt it? Must be all the millions of extra people!

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:04

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:01

Yes, everything is a bit overcrowded isnt it? Must be all the millions of extra people!

So all immigrants?

You are going to remigrate/deport all of us?

BadgernTheGarden · 06/12/2025 21:05

It's a question of asylum seekers or people just looking for a better life. And both are still difficult, asylum seekers from what? And looking for a better life do they have something to contribute to the UK? No black and white yes or no answers really as far as I can see.

BadgernTheGarden · 06/12/2025 21:05

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:01

Yes, everything is a bit overcrowded isnt it? Must be all the millions of extra people!

Millions???

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:06

Yes, millions, just in the last few years!

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:10

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 20:58

Ah right.

Would you mind a detention camp in your town?

A detention camp would be better than migrant hotels or having them placed in HMOs in the community but no - I don’t want any of that near me.

Do you want attention camp or migrant hotel in your town?

If you don’t either then the government needs to sort out something else. Like housing them in a neutral country. Rwanda for example.

BadgernTheGarden · 06/12/2025 21:11

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:06

Yes, millions, just in the last few years!

Are you talking about illegal immigrants or just average people moving from one country to another?

Samrutha · 06/12/2025 21:12

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 20:55

A country is not obliged to receive someone without papers. The US and the EU have bigger sticks than the UK with which to incentivise cooperation.

This is also for @rachelhere

Which is why the US holds them till they have ascertained where they are from and then deports. They also sanction a nation if they refuse.

Crikeyalmighty · 06/12/2025 21:14

Having lived in Copenhagen and know Sweden well too, I’m sure both country’s would be the first to admit it went too far and have rowed back on it considerably - Denmark is actually really tough on immigration be it legal or non legal - in my experience you were constantly having to prove this that and the other and it’s all digital access to facilities and services, so very hard to get away with anything . They constantly had teams out checking out black market activity, taxis, beauty salons, restaurants , etc - you also have to be registered quickly even if you are from within EU - problem was with the Uk in my opinion they couldn’t be arsed ( this was Tory’s too, not just a Labour thing) , a lot of people got away with an awful lot because the UK didn’t bring in controls that exist elsewhere - we have an awful lot of people out there with no right to be here still, not all by the way are from the usual places people mention , student overstayers, people visiting family who just didn’t go back and are under the radar etc - and it’s interesting with Reform, they don’t think this level of scrutiny applies if it’s anyone rich from these places who can bung them funding - same with Trump - All I can say is the ‘uninvited’ aspect with boats simply wasn’t a massive deal when Dublin agreement when in EU was in place- this subject was brought up time and time again at that time but it didn’t suit Brexit voters agenda to hear it - and so it has come to pass. Farage not quite as smart as he likes to think, although very smart at fooling people who don’t think things through fully

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 21:15

BadgernTheGarden · 06/12/2025 21:05

Millions???

About 0.8% of the UK population consists of refugees and asylum seekers. This is under 600,000 people.

poetryandwine · 06/12/2025 21:19

Crikeyalmighty · 06/12/2025 21:14

Having lived in Copenhagen and know Sweden well too, I’m sure both country’s would be the first to admit it went too far and have rowed back on it considerably - Denmark is actually really tough on immigration be it legal or non legal - in my experience you were constantly having to prove this that and the other and it’s all digital access to facilities and services, so very hard to get away with anything . They constantly had teams out checking out black market activity, taxis, beauty salons, restaurants , etc - you also have to be registered quickly even if you are from within EU - problem was with the Uk in my opinion they couldn’t be arsed ( this was Tory’s too, not just a Labour thing) , a lot of people got away with an awful lot because the UK didn’t bring in controls that exist elsewhere - we have an awful lot of people out there with no right to be here still, not all by the way are from the usual places people mention , student overstayers, people visiting family who just didn’t go back and are under the radar etc - and it’s interesting with Reform, they don’t think this level of scrutiny applies if it’s anyone rich from these places who can bung them funding - same with Trump - All I can say is the ‘uninvited’ aspect with boats simply wasn’t a massive deal when Dublin agreement when in EU was in place- this subject was brought up time and time again at that time but it didn’t suit Brexit voters agenda to hear it - and so it has come to pass. Farage not quite as smart as he likes to think, although very smart at fooling people who don’t think things through fully

Interesting post. Farage defo wants it both ways. National ID cards would make it easy to keep track of a lot but I think it’s Reform and the Tories who are vehemently against them.

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:22

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:10

A detention camp would be better than migrant hotels or having them placed in HMOs in the community but no - I don’t want any of that near me.

Do you want attention camp or migrant hotel in your town?

If you don’t either then the government needs to sort out something else. Like housing them in a neutral country. Rwanda for example.

I have a hotel nearby, it doesn't cause any problems except for the shouters. Same with local HMO's

I don't want detention camps at all.

EasternStandard · 06/12/2025 21:24

Crikeyalmighty · 06/12/2025 21:14

Having lived in Copenhagen and know Sweden well too, I’m sure both country’s would be the first to admit it went too far and have rowed back on it considerably - Denmark is actually really tough on immigration be it legal or non legal - in my experience you were constantly having to prove this that and the other and it’s all digital access to facilities and services, so very hard to get away with anything . They constantly had teams out checking out black market activity, taxis, beauty salons, restaurants , etc - you also have to be registered quickly even if you are from within EU - problem was with the Uk in my opinion they couldn’t be arsed ( this was Tory’s too, not just a Labour thing) , a lot of people got away with an awful lot because the UK didn’t bring in controls that exist elsewhere - we have an awful lot of people out there with no right to be here still, not all by the way are from the usual places people mention , student overstayers, people visiting family who just didn’t go back and are under the radar etc - and it’s interesting with Reform, they don’t think this level of scrutiny applies if it’s anyone rich from these places who can bung them funding - same with Trump - All I can say is the ‘uninvited’ aspect with boats simply wasn’t a massive deal when Dublin agreement when in EU was in place- this subject was brought up time and time again at that time but it didn’t suit Brexit voters agenda to hear it - and so it has come to pass. Farage not quite as smart as he likes to think, although very smart at fooling people who don’t think things through fully

We still had high asylum pre Brexit just via lorries. Until public outcry due to a suffocation news story and it changed.

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:24

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 20:51

Yes, other countries seem to manage it. None of these things are beyond the realms of human capability, thats just what our government would like us to think.

Exactly. Lots of countries have strict immigration rules and limits.

Australia for example. Extremely strict limitations on immigration. Most people respect them for it. Why are so many people in the UK so determined to give away our country? Some areas in the UK are already no gos for white people.

We are going to end up like previously very safe and peaceful Sweden which has at least 70 areas where even the police hesitate to enter. A young man recently was attacked in a Stockholm park and had his hands cut off with a machete. Police are calling it ‘gang crime’ - the majority of ‘gangs’ in Sweden are immigrants.

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:26

I'm no fan of Farage or Trump but in a way it doesnt matter so much about the rich does it? Its people at the bottom competing for scarce resources like social housing amd public healthcare, not the rich. And yes, open money laundering and illegal employment on every high street with no one apparently giving a damn about it for years for some reason. Re. @Crikeyalmighty post

ChristmasCrumblings · 06/12/2025 21:29

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 06/12/2025 10:23

People claiming asylum when they have passed through at least one other safe country to get here (in some cases having asylum claims rejected in other countries - got to question why). People overstaying visas and playing the visa system, eg coming on a student visa with no intention of studying and then disappearing underground.

A lot of refugees come from former colonies, speak English and might already have friends or family staying here. That's why you will find refugees from e.g. the democratic Republic of Congo usually stay in France rather than make the boat trip to the UK. Also, the uk takes very very few refugees compared to other countries. Do you think other countries should have to shoulder the burden alone just because we are too xenophobic and inhumane to do our bit? Finally if people didn't want refugees to come on boats they shouldn't have voted for brexit.

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:29

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:24

Exactly. Lots of countries have strict immigration rules and limits.

Australia for example. Extremely strict limitations on immigration. Most people respect them for it. Why are so many people in the UK so determined to give away our country? Some areas in the UK are already no gos for white people.

We are going to end up like previously very safe and peaceful Sweden which has at least 70 areas where even the police hesitate to enter. A young man recently was attacked in a Stockholm park and had his hands cut off with a machete. Police are calling it ‘gang crime’ - the majority of ‘gangs’ in Sweden are immigrants.

The UK has a point based immigration system like Australia.

If you want an asylum system like Australia, you need detention camps. Again the question is where?

ChristmasCrumblings · 06/12/2025 21:31

rachelhere · 06/12/2025 21:06

Yes, millions, just in the last few years!

Really? Do you think that's millions of Illegal immigrants or are you including every brown person in this country in those millions?

Netcurtainnelly · 06/12/2025 21:33

ChristmasCrumblings · 06/12/2025 21:29

A lot of refugees come from former colonies, speak English and might already have friends or family staying here. That's why you will find refugees from e.g. the democratic Republic of Congo usually stay in France rather than make the boat trip to the UK. Also, the uk takes very very few refugees compared to other countries. Do you think other countries should have to shoulder the burden alone just because we are too xenophobic and inhumane to do our bit? Finally if people didn't want refugees to come on boats they shouldn't have voted for brexit.

Wonder how they'd like it if we all invited ourselves to their countries.

We never do. Funny that.

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:35

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:22

I have a hotel nearby, it doesn't cause any problems except for the shouters. Same with local HMO's

I don't want detention camps at all.

That’s nice for you. You must have lucked out and gott a unique batch of those doctors and Nobel prize winners we keep hearing about.

In many areas people are experiencing serious problems including harassment of women, anti social behaviour in parks and there has obviously been more than kind murder and multiple rapes/sexual assaults by residents of these hotels.

Why would you not want a large number of undocumented men from troubled countries with extremely high rates of violence and terrorism to be at least detained securely while it is established that they are not actual terrorists or wanted criminals? That seems like a bizarre view.

Maybe if you knew the victim of this chap you’d be less sanguine about these men living in your neighbourhood? Btw the BBC ‘forgot’ to mention that he is a convicted terrorist. Search on his name if you don’t believe me.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gv24w9vr8o?app-referrer=deep-link

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:38

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:35

That’s nice for you. You must have lucked out and gott a unique batch of those doctors and Nobel prize winners we keep hearing about.

In many areas people are experiencing serious problems including harassment of women, anti social behaviour in parks and there has obviously been more than kind murder and multiple rapes/sexual assaults by residents of these hotels.

Why would you not want a large number of undocumented men from troubled countries with extremely high rates of violence and terrorism to be at least detained securely while it is established that they are not actual terrorists or wanted criminals? That seems like a bizarre view.

Maybe if you knew the victim of this chap you’d be less sanguine about these men living in your neighbourhood? Btw the BBC ‘forgot’ to mention that he is a convicted terrorist. Search on his name if you don’t believe me.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gv24w9vr8o?app-referrer=deep-link

Not lucked out, just young men in need of refuge.

I have read the stories, they are rare. You are in more danger from white men.

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:39

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:29

The UK has a point based immigration system like Australia.

If you want an asylum system like Australia, you need detention camps. Again the question is where?

We seem to be very selective in how we apply sensible rules though.

As I said that is for the government to sort out. We pay them well enough.

Rwanda is nice at this time of year.

It would give us time to process asylum applications properly without rushing and making the inevitable mistakes.

EasternStandard · 06/12/2025 21:42

ChristmasCrumblings · 06/12/2025 21:29

A lot of refugees come from former colonies, speak English and might already have friends or family staying here. That's why you will find refugees from e.g. the democratic Republic of Congo usually stay in France rather than make the boat trip to the UK. Also, the uk takes very very few refugees compared to other countries. Do you think other countries should have to shoulder the burden alone just because we are too xenophobic and inhumane to do our bit? Finally if people didn't want refugees to come on boats they shouldn't have voted for brexit.

The Brexit argument doesn’t tally with other EU countries having similar migration issues.

DuncinToffee · 06/12/2025 21:44

BundleBoogie · 06/12/2025 21:39

We seem to be very selective in how we apply sensible rules though.

As I said that is for the government to sort out. We pay them well enough.

Rwanda is nice at this time of year.

It would give us time to process asylum applications properly without rushing and making the inevitable mistakes.

The Rwanda scheme was illegal and would only take 300 people a year. It was also expensive.

But good to know it is nice at this time of year. Apparently the safaris are great too.

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