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To have expected him to make sure I got home ok?

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Muffinmoo · 05/12/2025 15:08

First date last night with a guy who spent most of the evening telling me about how rich he was and all the companies he had owned and sold.

Left the restaurant, freezing outside. I am having trouble getting an uber. He is just standing there watching me struggle to try and book a cab. He suggests I get a black cab. Tell him I can’t really afford it. Eventually I give up and say I will walk to the tube which is about a 5-10 minute walk (I’m in heels). He walks with me part way before leaving me alone at gone midnight to go to his easiest tube stop. I have to walk to the tube in the dark by myself. He could have got the same tube line from the same station as me.
AIBU for expecting him to at least walk me to the tube if not help get me taxi??? Or is that too much these days?! 🙈

OP posts:
Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:16

Franklyannoyed · 06/12/2025 12:13

Why? I certainly wasn’t, neither are millions of other women. We certainly don’t need to play the victim card, and no a first date isn’t some test to see if he will pay for you if you end up marrying him and having babies.

stop looking for a man to do it for you and start having some independence and self respect. If you’re dating 40 year olds then hopefully you’re not much younger and should be in a position in life that you won’t be disadvantaged. If you’re not that’s on you.

God it’s really amazing how I manage to pay for my own flat in London and all my bills 🙄 really playing the victim. Because I expected a man to walk me to a station 😂

if that’s the standards you have for yourself then great. You do you.

OP posts:
dairydebris · 06/12/2025 12:17

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:10

I am extremely independent.

however, if I am going to be financially and physically disadvantaged when I have children (we have laws to protect women for this very reason so can we please not pretend this isn’t just a basic fact) then I want to date someone who can demonstrate that they are willing and capable of looking after me. Being pregnant and giving birth is the most vulnerable time of a woman’s life.

dating (amongst other things) is partly a test to see how someone will treat you in a relationship. Not a reflection of my own capability as an independent adult.

he failed at the most basic level IMO.

Edited

It was a first date OP. You dont have his children. You cant expect to be treated like the mother of his child on a first date.
That level of presumption is extremely off putting.

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:19

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 12:17

It was a first date OP. You dont have his children. You cant expect to be treated like the mother of his child on a first date.
That level of presumption is extremely off putting.

Omg - my point is it’s a great indicator of how he intends to treat you. They don’t magically change once you have kids.

OP posts:
Brooklans · 06/12/2025 12:21

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:12

So it's all hypothetical for you at the moment? Honestly, you just sound a bit naive if I'm honest.

It sounds like there is no reason for you to feel disadvantaged right now, as you have your independence and no real responsibilities. You might feel very differently after a decade or two of marriage and a couple of kids down the line. I've seen plenty of women make that shift.

You are, of course, free to live as you see fit. If you can find a husband who is happy for you not to contribute financially, then there is nothing to stop you from living like that. But be aware that the financial arrangements between couples often have an impact on the power dynamics within a relationship, and on expectations around unpaid domestic labour etc. It's very easy for women to get trapped in unhappy situations and can be much harder for them to get out if they don't maintain their financial independence. And even where they are not in difficult or abusive relationships, they may still find that they really struggle with the decisions that they have made..my own mum did.

Of course, you might be one of the lucky ones and live a charmed life in which you don't regret any of your choices. But that isn't how life works out for everyone.

Edited

Yes I might be a bit naive. I’m fine with that. But I guess you would say most of the word is naive in that sense. I’m aware of the risks outlined on this thread, but such is life. If I come to regret them one day, I will blame no one but myself.

But even if things were not to work out as I had hoped, I don’t think I would feel regret as such. As I stuck to my values and traditions which are important to me. I will manage and adapt to life accordingly.

I don’t expect a perfect life with no struggle, but I expect myself to stand by what I believe in. This is why I refuse to make exceptions to my beliefs now at present, to reduce risk and hypothetical situations in the future.

Franklyannoyed · 06/12/2025 12:22

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:16

God it’s really amazing how I manage to pay for my own flat in London and all my bills 🙄 really playing the victim. Because I expected a man to walk me to a station 😂

if that’s the standards you have for yourself then great. You do you.

Yes it is amazing, I’m genuinely surprised.

so far you’ve posted :

you didn’t dress appropriately, even though likely been through many winters.
couldnt walk far due to your shoe choices.
were cold due to your clothing choices.
weew unhappy to walk even a couple of mins further on
couldnt book an uber but expected him to and would pay him back
didn’t want to wander round looking for a black cab, but expected him to pay for one for you
will be financially disadvantaged if you have children.
use dating to see if a man will look after you. Not see if you’re compatible. Not see if you get on, not see if you can be a partnership. But to see primarily if he will look after you financially and physically. On a first date with a stranger. Who bought you dinner and walked you part of the way.

so yes, it is amazing.

pixiegirlishere · 06/12/2025 12:22

I’ve just voted and me plus 74 % of voters think yanbu. The others are willing to date men who are uncaring. OP, you have standards that are perfectly normal - don’t lower them!

NorthXNorthWest · 06/12/2025 12:23

PigeonsandSquirrels · 06/12/2025 00:20

Ok this one doesn’t really work. I assume OP could pay for one in a desperate situation but didn’t want to pay that much when there are other options. Also if the tube stopped she’d have probably got the bus.

What does work is a grown adult moaning about the consequence of her own choices.

Franklyannoyed · 06/12/2025 12:24

pixiegirlishere · 06/12/2025 12:22

I’ve just voted and me plus 74 % of voters think yanbu. The others are willing to date men who are uncaring. OP, you have standards that are perfectly normal - don’t lower them!

Oh stop with the hyperbole. No one is willing to date men who are uncaring. What we are though is adult independent women, who have standards.

Notonthestairs · 06/12/2025 12:25

If you live and work in London and presumably use the tube all the time why wouldn't it occur to you to use the nearest tube station?
Or use a black cab as far your preferred station?
Why choose to walk alone somewhere you thought was dangerous?
It makes no sense.

redskydelight · 06/12/2025 12:25

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:16

God it’s really amazing how I manage to pay for my own flat in London and all my bills 🙄 really playing the victim. Because I expected a man to walk me to a station 😂

if that’s the standards you have for yourself then great. You do you.

Your post didn't mention that you asked him to walk you to the station? Did you, and he refused? I agree that is really poor.

If you didn't actually ask and expected him to mind read, you might want to work on your communication skills. I'd find a man who assumed I needed looking after extremely offputting.

NorthXNorthWest · 06/12/2025 12:25

Lolabear38 · 05/12/2025 20:39

Yes, OP, if you can’t afford to pay for a black cab for any/ all of your journey, what on earth are you doing even leaving your house? Damned irresponsible. I personally never go anywhere without my private helicopter on standby, just in case the tube stops for any reason.

Yes, making that you as an adult have taxi fare, if needed, is the same as having the money for a private helicopter.

Any more intelligent insights you would like to add?

PigeonsandSquirrels · 06/12/2025 12:27

NorthernDancer · 05/12/2025 15:56

Two words. Sarah Everard.

I've just run this past DH, who to be fair is not always the most chivalrous of men. OP, he says he would have walked you to the Tube or, if he was feeling flush, he would have paid for your cab.

I mean it’s more likely she’d be assaulted or killed by a cab driver than a police man tricking her like Sarah.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:31

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:19

Omg - my point is it’s a great indicator of how he intends to treat you. They don’t magically change once you have kids.

I think this is where my thinking diverges from yours, OP.

I completely agree that men don't magically change when you have kids. However, my view is that the men who are likely to be genuinely supportive partners, who will treat you as an equal and take on their fair share of the domestic load and parenting etc are not the ones who make grand "chivalrous" gestures while dating. On the contrary, those who insist on paying for everything and treat women as if they are delicate creatures that need to be looked after when dating are very likely to hold quite traditional views about gender roles within marriage and expect you to fall into line when children come along.

If you want a really traditional marriage where he is the provider with the big job and you're responsible for home and kids etc, then fair enough - but be aware that this model can work out really badly for some women. If you want a partner that genuinely treats you as an equal, then I would suggest that your current standards might need a bit of recalibration.

Ohmygodthepain · 06/12/2025 12:31

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 11:40

It’s insane how angry some people get when women have standards for how they should be treated.

I have standards as a human being for how to conduct myself, and my expectations of others.

You should have already made a plan (and a back up plan) to get home, with a contingency fund for a black cab if either of those options fell through.

You should also have discussed the venue and splitting the bill - great if he offered but if going Dutch was beyond your budget you can - and should - have had a conversation about the cost, and come to a more affordable solution if necessary.

You should have dressed appropriately for the weather - even on a first date you can find a suitable outfit (including shoes) that isn't a duffle coat and wellies and still feel dressed up.

Going on about his wealth is a huge turn-off for me so I'm afraid I would have made my excuses before fancying about with Ubers.

None of the above is anything to do with setting women back or women having standards about how they should be treated. That's basic self-awareness and responsibility.

If you want to play the vulnerable woman card, go ahead. Few of the men in my life have any time for silly women.

Blushingm · 06/12/2025 12:32

Did you make sure he got home ok?

HoneyParsnipSoup · 06/12/2025 12:36

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:31

I think this is where my thinking diverges from yours, OP.

I completely agree that men don't magically change when you have kids. However, my view is that the men who are likely to be genuinely supportive partners, who will treat you as an equal and take on their fair share of the domestic load and parenting etc are not the ones who make grand "chivalrous" gestures while dating. On the contrary, those who insist on paying for everything and treat women as if they are delicate creatures that need to be looked after when dating are very likely to hold quite traditional views about gender roles within marriage and expect you to fall into line when children come along.

If you want a really traditional marriage where he is the provider with the big job and you're responsible for home and kids etc, then fair enough - but be aware that this model can work out really badly for some women. If you want a partner that genuinely treats you as an equal, then I would suggest that your current standards might need a bit of recalibration.

In the interests of balance this isn’t my experience hence my earlier posting. It depends how they do it. If it’s a controlling, ‘I’m a man; I choose the date and pay, your job is to look nice and give me something at the end’ then yes, they’re likely a sexist pig.

If it’s more relaxed, ‘I’d like to pay as I asked you out’, with no strings attached, then I think it’s a generous gesture and indicative of somebody who doesn’t begrudge giving or see everything as purely transactional.

All the men I know who insisted on 50:50 and tracked what they spent down to the penny to ‘claim it back next time’, ended up being tight selfish husbands who bizarrely assume she is ‘only interested in the money’ and have been nightmares post divorce regarding child maintenance.

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:36

Blushingm · 06/12/2025 12:32

Did you make sure he got home ok?

Should I have bought him some flowers too? 😂😂

OP posts:
arethereanyleftatall · 06/12/2025 12:38

I don’t believe for a single second he wanted to see you again op. You can take this thread one of two ways. Learn from it. Or don’t. Enough people have patiently explained to you what having standards actually mean, and it isn’t walking someone you don’t like to a tube station, or paying for a cab for them despite paying for dinner and not liking them; but you still don’t get it.

BarryBannan · 06/12/2025 12:38

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:36

Should I have bought him some flowers too? 😂😂

Yes triffids! Honestly muffin I can't believe some of the answers.

Calliopespa · 06/12/2025 12:38

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:36

Should I have bought him some flowers too? 😂😂

Why not! Elton loves them - and probably a lot of other men too.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:39

Brooklans · 06/12/2025 12:21

Yes I might be a bit naive. I’m fine with that. But I guess you would say most of the word is naive in that sense. I’m aware of the risks outlined on this thread, but such is life. If I come to regret them one day, I will blame no one but myself.

But even if things were not to work out as I had hoped, I don’t think I would feel regret as such. As I stuck to my values and traditions which are important to me. I will manage and adapt to life accordingly.

I don’t expect a perfect life with no struggle, but I expect myself to stand by what I believe in. This is why I refuse to make exceptions to my beliefs now at present, to reduce risk and hypothetical situations in the future.

Well, it's your life and I wish you well.

Brooklans · 06/12/2025 12:41

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:39

Well, it's your life and I wish you well.

Thank you, and you. 💐

BarbarasRhabarberba · 06/12/2025 12:43

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/12/2025 12:31

I think this is where my thinking diverges from yours, OP.

I completely agree that men don't magically change when you have kids. However, my view is that the men who are likely to be genuinely supportive partners, who will treat you as an equal and take on their fair share of the domestic load and parenting etc are not the ones who make grand "chivalrous" gestures while dating. On the contrary, those who insist on paying for everything and treat women as if they are delicate creatures that need to be looked after when dating are very likely to hold quite traditional views about gender roles within marriage and expect you to fall into line when children come along.

If you want a really traditional marriage where he is the provider with the big job and you're responsible for home and kids etc, then fair enough - but be aware that this model can work out really badly for some women. If you want a partner that genuinely treats you as an equal, then I would suggest that your current standards might need a bit of recalibration.

I agree with this. The number one thing I want from a male partner is to see me as an autonomous equal who doesn’t need any of that stuff. That to me indicates a basic level of respect that would translate to supporting me when I need it, not just on account of me being a woman and any gender stereotypes he’s absorbed around that.

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:47

BarbarasRhabarberba · 06/12/2025 12:43

I agree with this. The number one thing I want from a male partner is to see me as an autonomous equal who doesn’t need any of that stuff. That to me indicates a basic level of respect that would translate to supporting me when I need it, not just on account of me being a woman and any gender stereotypes he’s absorbed around that.

There is a balance I think - being chivalrous doesn’t automatically mean seeing women as somehow incapable or less than. I also don’t think making sure someone gets home safe is a grand chivalrous gesture.

Men who expect ‘50:50’ tend to do so only when it suits them. They don’t risk their income capacity and health giving birth. There will always be an inherent inequality and I don’t think a bit of effort at the beginning is therefore too much to ask.

OP posts:
Blushingm · 06/12/2025 12:48

Muffinmoo · 06/12/2025 12:47

There is a balance I think - being chivalrous doesn’t automatically mean seeing women as somehow incapable or less than. I also don’t think making sure someone gets home safe is a grand chivalrous gesture.

Men who expect ‘50:50’ tend to do so only when it suits them. They don’t risk their income capacity and health giving birth. There will always be an inherent inequality and I don’t think a bit of effort at the beginning is therefore too much to ask.

Men who expect 50:50 tend to………that’s a sweeping generalisation

My partner went part time so his ex wife could continue her career.

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