To think its scary how messed up and horrible some people are?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp

Poor women having to deal with him.
Is there any point to his life.
Dosent seem like he wants to live himself?

YANBU, I don’t see what point we’re making as a society by keeping people like this alive, costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds. The Southport killer too. They should be offered assisted suicide at least.

He’s utter filth. I don’t know what the answer is. He shouldn’t be able to shirk out of his punishment, but it’s also heinous that the taxpayer has to pay to feed and house him for the rest of his life. Vile beast.

Someone will be along soon bleating about his human rights!

Wonder how he got that way?
Sad for his parents too.

Oh my god what have I just read. That poor 6 year old, how absolutely terrifying for him and his parents who must be heartbroken.

I’m very conflicted because on the one hand he is despicable and I want to hate him and be angry he is allowed to live.

On the other hand, he is clinically diagnosed with autism and psychopathy. So he can’t control his behaviour, or how his brain is wired.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Bravery-sentence-complete.pdf

Giving birth to a child like that must be a nightmare come true. His poor parents. Absolutely no winners here

He's profoundly autistic. He just has a different brain.

I do think it's insane to make so much effort to stop him ending it all, that's not an irrational preference on his part.

This is what I think too. Tell them they’ll never be released and discuss possible options if they want to make a different choice to life imprisonment. He’s 24 and could live to 100 odd. 3 members of staff 24 hours a day for the next 80 years potentially seems an unfathomable amount of money.

What are you suggesting we put down people who can't adjust to living in the community

He should not have been out with just two staff when the horrific incident took place in 2019 and taking him to a place where there will be a lot of people was poorly thought out

No ones said that. You’ve just worded it to be hyperbolic. I want to know what the benefit is to keep a man alive who is mentally unwell, suffering, actively trying to end his own life, is a mortal danger to everyone around him, and when given the opportunity will murder little children in the most awful way?

I don't disagree with your conclusion in the least, but I think you'll find it's the fact that JB is a psychopath, rather than the fact that he is also autistic, that is the reason for his appalling criminal actions.

Remarkably restrained of the BBC not to mention the ASC in its article tbf - possibly a first for them!

We either have capital punishment or we don't. And if we don't we have to have prisons to hold the guilty for however long they are sentenced. Obviously in some cases I can see why we would want people not to carry on living. But the fact remains we don't execute them in the UK.

https://hflscp.co.uk/practice-and-case-reviews/

The scr for Jonty Bravery is the one listed under 'David'.

The staff have a duty to prevent his death. They would be torn apart in coroners court if they were seen to have not kept him safe. Poor nurses.

Not all autistic people are like him though?

Its horrendous for people guarding him what if nobody wants to do it.

What does he do all day?
I think they should let him go if he wants too.

No one is suggesting that autistic people are

and not all people who register high on the psychopathy test (which is controversial in itself) are like JB either

I will read the detailed reports later- thank you for posting.

It makes me wince to read comments like “utter filth”. He’s very unwell and broadmoor keeps the public safe from him but likely makes his conditions worse, which will only grow into a bigger problem.

The conditions don’t excuse his crimes but they do dominate his behaviour and he doesn’t know any different

as humans we have to operate with people like this. No one wants to but they’re part of the human condition

Listen to the episode about him on the podcast 'They walk among us'.

I agree Bambamhoohoo

Its a life we can not relate to and difficult to understand but ultimate a very very lonely life

I agree with this- I can't remember where I read this- but something about how the price humans pay for their remarkably adaptable powerful brains is the outliers in society like this. I think we have to accommodate him. He's a human. He's paying the price.
Awfully unfair for the angels looking after him though.

Totally agree.

Long term institutionalisation and severe mental health problems tends to lead to a lower life expectancy.

I don’t know if I should be amazed or what from all those who are so compassionate and have some form of sympathy for JB, I just cannot.

Why do you feel you should have sympathy for him?

being aware of the human condition and being able to consider it without emotion isn’t the same sympathy or compassion.

what good with sympathy be? He’s never going to be aware of it.

He was someone's baby once. His brain is completely incompatible with life in the world. He's hideous. He's a tragedy. I guess I do feel a bit of compassion but I also hope he's successful in ending his own life soon. I think he's a monster and I believe he was born that way. He's gone there and the rest of us are not like him. In a way he's carrying the burden of being a total fuck up for all of us.