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girlfriend44 · 2025-12-04T12:34:07+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp]] Poor women having to deal with him. Is there any point to his life. Dosent seem like he wants to live himself?

Boomer55 · 04/12/2025 16:49

Some people have always been unreasonable or just awful. It’s nothing new.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 16:50

Vinvertebrate · 04/12/2025 13:55

I don't disagree with your conclusion in the least, but I think you'll find it's the fact that JB is a psychopath, rather than the fact that he is also autistic, that is the reason for his appalling criminal actions.

Remarkably restrained of the BBC not to mention the ASC in its article tbf - possibly a first for them!

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That's your opinion. Mine is that the autism is the primary problem. I appreciate this is upsetting to some people.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 16:50

You will find more male prisoners are diagnosed with autism than psychopathy (by a country mile)

dimple285 · 04/12/2025 16:51

MotherWol · 04/12/2025 16:31

We don't have capital punishment in the UK, and it would be completely unethical, having abolished it, to give lifetime custodial sentences but then say to prisoners "if you don't like it, you can choose to end your life". That would just be passing responsibility for something the judicial system cannot bring itself to do.

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Euthanasia isn't capital punishment though. Whether it's unethical to offer euthanasia to someone too damaged to ever be able to live and function in society is not a question with a black or white answer.

I think euthanasia should be far more readily available tbh, I don't understand why it's not. We all talk about body autonomy - how is being allowed to choose when you die any different? Obviously not for someone who's having a bad day but for a person with a violent incurable personality disorder that is never going to able to live anything approaching a normal life. I absolutely think euthanasia should be an option. Would you want to live with that?

dimple285 · 04/12/2025 16:55

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 16:50

That's your opinion. Mine is that the autism is the primary problem. I appreciate this is upsetting to some people.

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Well you're wrong because the serious case review found that his diagnosis of conduct disorder (which often leads to a personality disorder) was the primary issue. Not sure why you think your opinion is more important than the facts.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 16:55

dimple285 · 04/12/2025 16:55

Well you're wrong because the serious case review found that his diagnosis of conduct disorder (which often leads to a personality disorder) was the primary issue. Not sure why you think your opinion is more important than the facts.

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Not sure why you care what my opinion is if it's so unimportant...

Aparecium · 04/12/2025 16:57

dimple285 · 04/12/2025 16:51

Euthanasia isn't capital punishment though. Whether it's unethical to offer euthanasia to someone too damaged to ever be able to live and function in society is not a question with a black or white answer.

I think euthanasia should be far more readily available tbh, I don't understand why it's not. We all talk about body autonomy - how is being allowed to choose when you die any different? Obviously not for someone who's having a bad day but for a person with a violent incurable personality disorder that is never going to able to live anything approaching a normal life. I absolutely think euthanasia should be an option. Would you want to live with that?

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Does he have the capacity to make such a choice?

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 16:58

FlyingApple · 04/12/2025 16:44

Not at all.

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Then you need to lower your expectations. There is no other answer and your dissatisfaction doesn’t change that. No one is going to be able to help you get more satisfied!

NeedANapAgain · 04/12/2025 16:58

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 16:50

You will find more male prisoners are diagnosed with autism than psychopathy (by a country mile)

But violent offenders? 4.4% diagnosed autistic, between 25% - 40% diagnosed psychopathic. This is despite psychopaths making up only roughly 1% of the population.

LakieLady · 04/12/2025 16:58

CheeseIsMyIdol · 04/12/2025 15:23

They raised him.

I think it’s time parents started being held accountable for outcomes.

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That would lead to a lot of lengthy nature v nurture discussions.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 04/12/2025 17:02

dimple285 · 04/12/2025 16:42

The Telegraph said he put faeces in his mother's make up.

The problem we have is that there is no expert residential provision for autistic people at risk of developing a personality disorder (JB was diagnosed with conduct disorder which meant he was at risk of developing a personality disorder).

A lot of his behaviour was considered attention seeking due to his autism including saying he wanted to kill members of his family and not considered in light of his conduct disorder diagnosis.

He was passed around from provision to provision, often hours and hours away from his family. He threw the boy off the Tate because he wanted to be on tv to get the message across about how unsuitable his provision was.

He said he was going to the supermarket and was allowed out alone because his behaviour had supposedly improved so much despite there having been 8 assaults in the previous 2 and a half years.

We really need to look at how we provide for people with ASD that are at risk of developing personality disorders - what do we do with these people and why is there no provision for them?

Because the provision needed would be deemed unpalatable.

Noforkforporridge · 04/12/2025 17:03

Eaglesfortea · 04/12/2025 12:44

YANBU, I don’t see what point we’re making as a society by keeping people like this alive, costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds. The Southport killer too. They should be offered assisted suicide at least.

This thread is very strange given the one yesterday where euthanasia for those on disability benefits and not contributing to society was an idea that was floated under the guise of philosophical pondering ….

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:06

I do think people who love in a utopia of every life is precious delusion are a big problem.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:07

Noforkforporridge · 04/12/2025 17:03

This thread is very strange given the one yesterday where euthanasia for those on disability benefits and not contributing to society was an idea that was floated under the guise of philosophical pondering ….

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I don’t really get what people get out of eliminating the human condition. Euthanise all the patients in broadmoor. Why? To pretend they don’t exist? What a weird society and way to live your life.

Just eliminate anything dangerous but human and natural. what a weird way to live. Life is about learning about and dealing with all things, not controlling it by eliminating every thing you can’t understand.

eta- it’s like Victorian/ mediveal or something, some brutal, uneducated society that wasn’t curious about the brain or human behaviour so just clubbed everything they didn’t like to death.

Morningsleepin · 04/12/2025 17:08

Well the death sentence wouldn't apply in his case, anyway. It would have applied to the Birmingham Six and the Guilford Four

RapunzelHadExtensions · 04/12/2025 17:09

I'm a police officer.
I remember a few weeks after my beautiful, kind and much loved 35 year old best friend died of a brain tumour I interviewed a completely unrepetent child sex offender. He had caused nothing but trauma, hurt and pain to all those around him for his whole life (also a convicted violent offender and multiple burglaries, one of a 87 year old woman). I cried in the toilets afterwards. There is no justice in this world that he continues to live and breathe and my beautiful friend doesn't.
But I don't believe in CP either. I just couldn't square the circle.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:11

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:07

I don’t really get what people get out of eliminating the human condition. Euthanise all the patients in broadmoor. Why? To pretend they don’t exist? What a weird society and way to live your life.

Just eliminate anything dangerous but human and natural. what a weird way to live. Life is about learning about and dealing with all things, not controlling it by eliminating every thing you can’t understand.

eta- it’s like Victorian/ mediveal or something, some brutal, uneducated society that wasn’t curious about the brain or human behaviour so just clubbed everything they didn’t like to death.

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Because they are incurably dangerous and unbelievably expensive to keep alive. Bravery here had three people watching him at all times. Imagine your family members could get the same coverage in a&e.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:14

RapunzelHadExtensions · 04/12/2025 17:09

I'm a police officer.
I remember a few weeks after my beautiful, kind and much loved 35 year old best friend died of a brain tumour I interviewed a completely unrepetent child sex offender. He had caused nothing but trauma, hurt and pain to all those around him for his whole life (also a convicted violent offender and multiple burglaries, one of a 87 year old woman). I cried in the toilets afterwards. There is no justice in this world that he continues to live and breathe and my beautiful friend doesn't.
But I don't believe in CP either. I just couldn't square the circle.

I do think at some point this delusions of luxury era will end ...and the performative insistence on keeping people like this ticking while good people are left to suffer and die will end with it.

But I have no confidence this will be in my lifetime.

BillieWiper · 04/12/2025 17:15

Yeah that guy is a real menace. He's been horribly violent since early childhood. Had form for beating up his carers and his poor family couldn't live with him due to his issues. Then he threw that poor kid off the Tate.

If he were to try suicide I'd hope the wardens might just turn their backs.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:16

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:11

Because they are incurably dangerous and unbelievably expensive to keep alive. Bravery here had three people watching him at all times. Imagine your family members could get the same coverage in a&e.

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I realise that not all the money can go on things that benefit me directly or the things I would like them to. That’s life.

its like the Jeremy clarkson article (oh he’s a cunt isn’t he) about all the money going to premature babies so they all live and no money goes to the arts. Society doesn’t work that simplistically.

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:17

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:16

I realise that not all the money can go on things that benefit me directly or the things I would like them to. That’s life.

its like the Jeremy clarkson article (oh he’s a cunt isn’t he) about all the money going to premature babies so they all live and no money goes to the arts. Society doesn’t work that simplistically.

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Yes you are socialised to say and believe that sadistic attempted child killers matter more than your own children. Well done on your independence of thought.

Youdontseehow · 04/12/2025 17:22

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 16:42

It’s well acknowledged that there is no rehabilitating him. I don’t think professionals shy away from that?

It’s very common for people to just need to aim to lead the best life they can but for that not to look anything like an average life.

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Hmmm I disagree. When the Tate attack happened, they were “stepping down” his level of supervision and he was allowed to go into London unaccompanied from a care setting where he was two-to-one supervision.

If that is not a sign that the professionals thought he was “getting better”, I don’t know what is.

hattie43 · 04/12/2025 17:25

He needs putting down he’s dangerous and always will be

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:27

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 17:17

Yes you are socialised to say and believe that sadistic attempted child killers matter more than your own children. Well done on your independence of thought.

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You have very little understanding of humans if you believe anyone would put an unknown attempted child killer before their own children. Is it a genuine condition you have or are you trying to be sarcastic?

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 17:28

Youdontseehow · 04/12/2025 17:22

Hmmm I disagree. When the Tate attack happened, they were “stepping down” his level of supervision and he was allowed to go into London unaccompanied from a care setting where he was two-to-one supervision.

If that is not a sign that the professionals thought he was “getting better”, I don’t know what is.

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Oh yes, but that was before his crime. Clearly he hadn’t been identified as incapable of rehabilitation or incurable before then- he is now though.