To think its scary how messed up and horrible some people are?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp

Poor women having to deal with him.
Is there any point to his life.
Dosent seem like he wants to live himself?

I’m against capital punishment but it really does make you wonder what the point is really? What’s he contributing to humanity?

No I don't have to lower them and I'm not asking anyone to help me get more satisfied because I know they can't.

To be fair mental health professionals have probably learnt quite a lot from examining him. Changes were made following a SCR that members of the public and patients will presumably benefit from in future. He’s potentially forced systemic and medical / care changes that no nice law abiding person would’ve done.

Weird post then?!

Oh come on now - he wasn’t two-to-one supervision for nothing! He was clearly a major risk but thought to be “getting better” as there was nothing recent. That smacks of a belief he was “curable”.

Can't see the point of keeping him around if he wants to go anyway. Assisted suicide would be for the best, in my opinion.

Yes of course it does- I’m not arguing with you.

How would they have identified he was incurable before he committed that act?! It’s not like it’s a diagnostic test. I’m not really sure what your point is.

is it that No violent ASD / conduct disorder teenager who lives in supported housing should be allowed out in case they are incurable and need to be in broadmoor forever?!

I disagree.

Opinion based on experience?

We should bring back death by firing squad, or hanging. I wouldn’t mind if my tax payments went towards that rather than keeping him in a cell for probably another 4 decades.

I really feel for the nurses. I’m sure they are physically tough and have received lots of training but women being expected to restrain someone like this is madness. He looks to be a pretty big, strong man. He could kill a woman with his bare hands, surely?

To me it reads like a problem of non integration between adult/child services which in turn is perhaps exacerbated by the way that the psychiatric diagnostic system is set up. There were repeated attempts to find a suitable setting for him but there are no settings for "people who will likely be diagnosed with psychopathy at age 18". Prior to 18 he couldn't officially receive that diagnosis, so he couldn't access services for people with that diagnosis. This cutoff is problematic imo because for him and other older children who are some years post puberty it's not as though at age 17 and 354 days their behaviour is dramatically different from their behaviour at age 18 precisely, but social and psychiatric services are set up as though this is indeed the case.

I don't agree with the death penalty, but if people like him want to commit suicide, they should not only be allowed to, but actually helped.

I read of prisoners being on "suicide watch" by the warders; just let them die.

So if he’s trying to mill himself, does that mean that he realises the wrong in his actions?

My point is that he was so bad he couldn’t be left unsupervised - he needed two people at all times. That is pretty serious. So how could they then think he was ok to be out unsupervised?

Imagine any non criminals getting the same level of quick care and attention they’d get if people like Bravery need hospital care, sincerely doubt hed have to wait on and A&E trolley!

And when he does “lessons will be learned” and the bleeding hearts will weep for him and worry about how upset he is.

yes they even get "luxury" treatments like ADHD medication without having to wait for half a day

If they didn't exist they would be better off and so would everyone else

I agree.

I'm opposed to the death penalty but this is different. If he really wants to end his life he should be allowed to do so. He could discuss it with professional staff and make an informed decision.

Of course he wouldn’t be left on a trolley in a&e as the safety of the public is priority

but if you think prisoners in prison or patients in secure hospitals get preferential treatment you are very much mistaken

He dosent want to live.

For me, it's not compassion. It's science. We are all products of our environment and genetic make up. I (just as everybody else on this thread) was lucky that I was born to be relatively normal and was brought up in a normal environment. I could have been him. We all could have been but thankfully the majority of humans are not. So I think he needs to be kept away from society to keep society safe but in his confinement he should be treated with dignity and respect just as we would do with any another human and that includes keeping him alive as we don't do state sponsored murder in this country.

I have compassion for that poor boy and his family though. What unimaginably bad luck.

Looking at this guy with as little emotion as I can

• if I was so tormented internally as wanting to end my life ( I've felt close to this), and someone forced their will on me, forcing me to stay alive when I had got to the point of almost achieving that terrifying end ( suicide) - well I would be so overwhelmed with emotions at this point, being held down, restrained and forced to live on a mattress empty room, I would be clawing faces and scratching eyeballs out.

Punishment again for this incredibly human reaction feels wrong. Of course someone is going to lose it. Who really says at point of almost ending it, ph thanks so much I've suddenly decided I would love to live now in this mattress only room.

I would like him to succeed in ending his life. It looks like nothing but torment and hell internally. Externally it is the same with those conditions described. He's too dangerous to be walking free. There are no answers.

Anyone allowing his suicide would be ripped a new one. I'm a huge advocate for assisted suicide. But one could say there's a vulnerability to him being autistic so could he be coerced into it. No easy answers here. Scary.

The question isn’t what he’s contributing to humanity, but what he’s taken from it.

It explains clearly that the doctors said the autism didn’t cause this behaviour, but the psychopathy