To think its scary how messed up and horrible some people are?

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Poor women having to deal with him.
Is there any point to his life.
Dosent seem like he wants to live himself?

What an ignorant thing to say. Are you so lacking in critical thinking that you cannot understand some things cannot be ‘parented’ out of a child?

It’s unbelievable isn’t it, the prissy perfect my parenting would never allow this to happen shit.
people have NO IDEA the challenges and pain of parenting an autistic child with severe behavioural problems, some ivory tower view that we all couldn’t care less, probably too busy having our nails done and the like.

i feel incredibly grateful that the years of hard graft, therapy, special education, love and sheer fighting for my very complex little boy had a successful outcome.
but this post proves that people have no inkling of the nights I spent terrified that the violent, innapropiate, seemingly uncontrollable behaviour my son was showing would result in prison or an early death.
because I loved him still with all my heart, and my heart is still full of the successful, yet still autistic young man he now is.
so all take your judgement of these parents elsewhere, you have no idea

Pity the staff couldn't have all been on the phone or lighting a smoke at the time. I am against the death penalty but if someone like that is actively trying to kill themselves, then I don't think anyone should stand in their way. As long as they don't take anyone with them.
I'm against state sanctioned killing, mostly because of the possibility of mistakes ( which have happened at least in the US) and the slippery slope argument. Where do we stop?
But the evil monster wants to jump off a roof . Goodo. Have at it. Just feel sorry for the poor ambo's and clean up team.

He was attempting suicide well before the Tate actions.
My son attempted suicide on numerous occasions between the ages of 6 and 8, can all you ‘blame the parents’ brigade understand how that feels? I am not sure it is anything to do with knowing right from wrong, I felt my boy hated what he was, whatever torment was in his brain, he felt wrong himself. He was incapable of fitting in to a world that he didn’t understand, and unfortunately the violent and frightening ways he reacted made it worse. I once found him running through the corridors at school screaming just to cope, he didn’t even recognise me.

im not excusing JBs actions, autism can never be an excuse. But people need to understand you cannot always say ‘blame the parents’, sometimes sadly it is the parenting.
I have 2 younger sons, not a single behaviour point, detention, act of aggression in their whole lives.
This is not a linear argument, as I said above my son’s outcome has been miraculously wonderful, he has a fully independent successful life. He is doing his masters. Managed a very busy bar in Liverpool in his gap year. I would never have dreamt it was possible, but cases like JB take me to a very dark place where I know things could have been so different.

I see the financial cost of keeping him alive as a reasonable cost to society for saving someone if we were to have capital punishment and they were innocent.

Off topic but Musk? A genius?
He didn’t even create any of his current businesses from scratch

Maybe Musk’s genius is convincing some people he’s a genius.

Maybe Musk was a bad example 🙄

What does he do all day?

we have no idea what he does all day

in secure hospitals like Broadmoor there is a programme of actives form educational to supporting patients improve their every day living skills to therapeutic therapies both group and 1-1

for many patients there will be periods with no engagement that you may see as meaningful but there is always some form of therapeutic work happening. At times people can simply be too unwell to engage

It’s almost like rather than read your though and thoughtful post they want to pick away at something insignificant isn’t it?! Frustrating.

How refreshing to see unmoderated ableism on MN. Makes such a nice change.

Said nobody ever. 🙄

I imagine more male prisoners are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than psychopathy as well. Maybe a similar number are Doctor Who fans, or left handed. So what?

There is countless research suggesting that - contrary to public perception - autistic individuals are not more likely to commit violent crime. There is also some research indicating that autistics are more likely than average to be victims of crime, and quite a bit which indicates a certain subset of autistics, who just bloody love sticking to rules, are fanatical about not committing any crimes at all, even teeny ones.

It does make me wonder what kind of childhood he did actually have though.

What were his school years like? Did he ever have childhood friendships? Did his parents abandon him? Or were his parents doing the absolute maximum possible to get help for him/them from the moment they discovered he 'wasn't quite right'? Were they ignored? Were they faced with waiting lists for diagnosis/medication (like we see so much of these days)? Do we know his background? (As you can tell, I've not read anything about him other than his crime)

And in asking these questions, I am NOT in anyway shape or form, excusing any of his abhorrent behaviour; just curious as to whether he was born with a mis-wired brain from the word go, or was this nurtured in him?

And yes, I agree, if he wants to kill himself, then let him do it.

I should have read the whole thread before posting! I see that some PP have read insights into his younger life.

We keep these people alive because the alternative is morally abhorrent. State sanctioned killing. Who do we kill? How do we make sure that we don't accidentally kill the wrong people? Who makes the choice? Look at our history of falsely finding people guilty.. it's awful for them but so much better when you can let them out and appologise later than having to dig them up to do so!
And who does the killing? You fancy killing people for a living because I don't!